Cushiest IM prelims

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Ok, so I searched this forum, and it seems most of the cush IM prelim threads are discussed in Derm, Ophth and Radiology. So, I wanted to make a thread for us potential Neuro applicants. Which are the cushiest IM prelim programs in the country and why (please state reasons)?
 
Ok, so I searched this forum, and it seems most of the cush IM prelim threads are discussed in Derm, Ophth and Radiology. So, I wanted to make a thread for us potential Neuro applicants. Which are the cushiest IM prelim programs in the country and why (please state reasons)?

Beware 'cushy'. Cushy often = "let's get the census down by kicking sick patients out of the hospital". Depends on if you want a hard year of good medicine or an easy year of bad medicine.
 
Beware 'cushy'. Cushy often = "let's get the census down by kicking sick patients out of the hospital". Depends on if you want a hard year of good medicine or an easy year of bad medicine.

I should have been more clear. Of course, I don't want an easy year of "bad medicine", because I want to learn as much as possible during my intern year. What I mean by cushy IM year is which programs have best call schedules, where you learn but are not overworked, and don't get violated with the 80 hour rules?
 
I should have been more clear. Of course, I don't want an easy year of "bad medicine", because I want to learn as much as possible during my intern year. What I mean by cushy IM year is which programs have best call schedules, where you learn but are not overworked, and don't get violated with the 80 hour rules?

Dude, you don't work more than 16 hours in a row next year per the new intern rules. Nowhere will be that bad (except maybe NYC - you have to do your own blood draws at a lot of hospitals there, and some places you literally do your own patient escort).
 
I may be in the old-school minority here, but in my opinion you learn by seeing patients. You shouldn't be so overworked that you don't have time to think, but you want to see a ton of patients with varied presentations. In my opinion, you should be looking for the program that gives you the most hours possible devoted to actual clinical care, which is cushy in a way since you won't be pushing stretchers and drawing AM labs, but maybe not so cushy in that you should be close to the hours limit for the majority of the year.

Then again, I'm in neurocritical care, and I use internal medicine all day every day. I think these new ACGME regulations hurt prelims a lot, because you have even less time to get a good medicine foundation in that measly one year.

I'm sure some of the neuromuscular people will start chiming in that you don't need an intensive medical year to manage basic medical issues in the clinic (as long as the patient has a PCP), and they're right. But are you certain of what you want to eventually become already? Neuro-onc, stroke, neuroIR, and neurocritical care all deal with a lot of pure internal medicine issues every day.

Additionally, the patient population on neurology inpatient wards has gotten increasingly ill in recent years, as measured by a variety of JCAHO metrics, and during your residency you will be expected to competently care for these people without getting a medicine consult on them. I'm not just talking Afib with RVR, but also metastatic cancer on chemo with marrow failure and adrenal insufficiency and SVC syndrome and a venous cerebral infarct. At what WBC count or ANC are you going to start sending CMV titers, and are you going to prophylax with acyclovir, or gancyclovir/foscarnet? Do you really need medicine and ID consults to answer that for you?

Sorry for the rant. This issue comes up every year, and the malignant side of me does not tolerate people looking to minimize their effort during their training. Dare to be hard-core.
 
I may be in the old-school minority here, but in my opinion you learn by seeing patients. You shouldn't be so overworked that you don't have time to think, but you want to see a ton of patients with varied presentations. In my opinion, you should be looking for the program that gives you the most hours possible devoted to actual clinical care, which is cushy in a way since you won't be pushing stretchers and drawing AM labs, but maybe not so cushy in that you should be close to the hours limit for the majority of the year.

Then again, I'm in neurocritical care, and I use internal medicine all day every day. I think these new ACGME regulations hurt prelims a lot, because you have even less time to get a good medicine foundation in that measly one year.

I'm sure some of the neuromuscular people will start chiming in that you don't need an intensive medical year to manage basic medical issues in the clinic (as long as the patient has a PCP), and they're right. But are you certain of what you want to eventually become already? Neuro-onc, stroke, neuroIR, and neurocritical care all deal with a lot of pure internal medicine issues every day.

Additionally, the patient population on neurology inpatient wards has gotten increasingly ill in recent years, as measured by a variety of JCAHO metrics, and during your residency you will be expected to competently care for these people without getting a medicine consult on them. I'm not just talking Afib with RVR, but also metastatic cancer on chemo with marrow failure and adrenal insufficiency and SVC syndrome and a venous cerebral infarct. At what WBC count or ANC are you going to start sending CMV titers, and are you going to prophylax with acyclovir, or gancyclovir/foscarnet? Do you really need medicine and ID consults to answer that for you?

Sorry for the rant. This issue comes up every year, and the malignant side of me does not tolerate people looking to minimize their effort during their training. Dare to be hard-core.

Typhoonegator, you're frigging awesome man. I probably wouldn't be saying that if I was your intern and you were working my a** off but I'll say it on here haha. You have my respect.
 
I third the above sentiment. I really don't want to consult other services unnecessarily. Just think when you are on a service how you feel when you are consulted by others for "lame" things. Now pretend you are the medicine consult service being asked to look at a neurology patient with afib with RVR. Of course they are going to laugh, perhaps not to your face, but they will be laughing.
 
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