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I went in to see a podiatrist at the local mall today and he gave me some disturbing news about how he read a article saying that soon within a few years podiatry boards are changing to either the DO or MD boards (ie USMLE).

So will we be expected to take the USMLE/COMLEX soon?

I may be naive for believing whatever he told me but he has been a podiatric surgeon for over 30 years and is quite successful.

Comments?
 
msa786 said:
I went in to see a podiatrist at the local mall today and he gave me some disturbing news about how he read a article saying that soon within a few years podiatry boards are changing to either the DO or MD boards (ie USMLE).

So will we be expected to take the USMLE/COMLEX soon?

I may be naive for believing whatever he told me but he has been a podiatric surgeon for over 30 years and is quite successful.

Comments?
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Fiction.
 
fiction.

1) disturbing news? how?

2) lol... podiatrist at the mall??? only doctors i know at the mall are the ODs at Lenscrafters.
 
1.) It was disturbing news to me because we as a profession are distinct and have our own boards so all of a sudden how are we supposed to take boards for another degree? Yes I was confused.

2.) Yes it is inside a mall. Kings Plaza Dental and Foot Care.
 
fiction. our classes dont match enough besides some of the 1st year stuff
 
j0ez0r said:
fiction. our classes dont match enough besides some of the 1st year stuff
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Don't DMU students take all the same classes as the DO students? Therefore, you would be prepared to take at least the step 1 USMLE? What happens in the 2nd year?
 
msa786 said:
I went in to see a podiatrist at the local mall today and he gave me some disturbing news about how he read a article saying that soon within a few years podiatry boards are changing to either the DO or MD boards (ie USMLE).

So will we be expected to take the USMLE/COMLEX soon?

I may be naive for believing whatever he told me but he has been a podiatric surgeon for over 30 years and is quite successful.

Comments?
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There have been discussions of using the USMLE Step 1 if they were to add a lower anatomy section. And the NBPME has met with both the NBOME and the NBME to discuss the use of their Step 2 standardized patient exam.

The CA Board of Podiatry will accept either the NBPME or USMLE for licensure. That may eventually spread to other states.
 
PoddyMan said:
There have been discussions of using the USMLE Step 1 if they were to add a lower anatomy section. And the NBPME has met with both the NBOME and the NBME to discuss the use of their Step 2 standardized patient exam.

The CA Board of Podiatry will accept either the NBPME or USMLE for licensure. That may eventually spread to other states.
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Do you know how long that may take?
 
msa786 said:
I went in to see a podiatrist at the local mall today and he gave me some disturbing news about how he read a article saying that soon within a few years podiatry boards are changing to either the DO or MD boards (ie USMLE).

So will we be expected to take the USMLE/COMLEX soon?

I may be naive for believing whatever he told me but he has been a podiatric surgeon for over 30 years and is quite successful.

Comments?
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I would take a look at this link that outlines the APMA Vision 2015 goals. If you look at O1.4, you can see the section that directly addresses board exams.

http://www.apmsa.org/index.php?opti...y-strike-team&catid=903:about-apmsa&Itemid=53

In addition, I know that there has been talk of at least making the NBPME more comparable to the USMLE. Also, it has been suggested that as early as 2018, there MAY be a "hands on" portion to the board exam.
 
PoddyMan said:
Don't DMU students take all the same classes as the DO students? Therefore, you would be prepared to take at least the step 1 USMLE? What happens in the 2nd year?
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They take everything in the first year together minus the OMM and I'm guessing the osteopathic specific course. The second year they take 1 class with the DO's, Pharm. The systems courses and everything else in second year is separate.
 
Maybe we can get rid of the pass/fail grading. If we really want to be equals to MD/DO's they can release the actual grades. Probably will help with residency selection too.
 
Case Western med school is pass fail. It's supposed to be good too.
 
PoddyMan said:
Don't DMU students take all the same classes as the DO students? Therefore, you would be prepared to take at least the step 1 USMLE? What happens in the 2nd year?
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All hell breaks loose. I am not completely sure of the overlap b/n the pod students and the MD/DO studnets with regards to depth and breadth of knowledge. You guys are much more specialized, and should be so. We are much more generalized, and should be so (at least this is my understanding). By taking the same exam as us, it would probably be an issue, as you guys do not learn the same things we do, and visa versa (i.e. there is a reason the PAs, RNs, MD/DO, and Pod students all take different exams). The education has different coverage and emphasis.
 
JEWmongous said:
Pass/Fail boards, not lecture courses.
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Are you sure?

Pass/Fail grading scale in the years 1 and 2. Clerkship rotations in years 3 and 4 are evaluated as Honors, Commendable, Satisfactory, and Unsatisfactory. The Pass/Fail system has been in place at CWRU for over 30 years and we have found it creates a collegial atmosphere of collaboration and support among our students.
 
JEWmongous said:
Maybe we can get rid of the pass/fail grading. If we really want to be equals to MD/DO's they can release the actual grades. Probably will help with residency selection too.
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I am assuming you are talking about number scores for the boards not classes.

Most med schools are pass/fail w/ high pass....
 
PodunkUDPM said:
Are you sure?

Pass/Fail grading scale in the years 1 and 2. Clerkship rotations in years 3 and 4 are evaluated as Honors, Commendable, Satisfactory, and Unsatisfactory. The Pass/Fail system has been in place at CWRU for over 30 years and we have found it creates a collegial atmosphere of collaboration and support among our students.
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Ok sorry for not getting my point across but I meant for the pod boards part 1to release the actual scores, not provide pass/fail. I believe they only give you scores if you fail the boards. Would probably make it easier for residency selection. Also, it would be interesting for the pod programs to have an average part 1 score released. Seems like you cannot fudge the numbers as much as some schools do now with passing precentages. Every schools seemsto be above the passing average when it's what, 81 or 82% nationally. DMU,AZpod,Scholl are the only schools who seem to make their passing rates public & out there. One dean told me the first time pass rate at his school was 100%...and there was not chance in hell that could be true.

A number of med schools have pass/fail or honors/pass/fail for the first 2 years (basic science) but STILL have a scored part one of their boards (USMLE). Some dental schools, including big names like Harvard, Columbia,UCSF, etc have pass/fail.
 
Yea, that would make a lot of sense (before you kept saying grading, when I think you meant scores). Releasing board scores would be ideal, as then residency directors could compare applicants from different schools objectively.
 
JEWmongous said:
One dean told me the first time pass rate at his school was 100%...and there was not chance in hell that could be true.
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Actually, this is true, but it has only had less than 5 classes take the part 1 exam. I'm not sure about the latest exam, though.
 
PoddyMan said:
Actually, this is true, but it has only had less than 5 classes take the part 1 exam. I'm not sure about the latest exam, though.
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I know you are referring to Azpod but I never mentioned a particular school. And it's not that one.
 
poddyman, could i get your input?

I care less about "first time pass rates" than I do average/median/range of scores. We are supposed to pass the boards. If most schools are at least 80ish percent pass, then you have "problems" if you don't pass the first time. I am more interested in the school that has a higher average score and more people with really high scores than a school were people pass but barely do so.
 
JEWmongous said:
I know you are referring to Azpod but I never mentioned a particular school. And it's not that one.
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Unfortunately, it appears that some schools will say anything to get applicants to accept.
 
air bud said:
poddyman, could i get your input?

I care less about "first time pass rates" than I do average/median/range of scores. We are supposed to pass the boards. If most schools are at least 80ish percent pass, then you have "problems" if you don't pass the first time. I am more interested in the school that has a higher average score and more people with really high scores than a school were people pass but barely do so.
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  1. If the average/national first time pass rate is, say, 82%, and some schools have 90+ pass rates, then some schools have significantly less than 82% pass rate.
  2. Those students who fail the part 1 exam have a very poor chance of passing it the 2nd, 3rd, etc time. That's why repeater scores aren't included.
  3. Unfortunately, those who pass do not receive a numerical value, which could skew the results even more (i.e., "good" school average pass scores way higher than the others). I would like to see numerical pass scores. However, the NBPME strongly discourages the use of pass scores for anything other than for state licensure.

Some schools argue that the schools with high pass rates don't "allow" the poor students to take the exam. I strongly doubt this, because the "poor" students more than likely flunked out and are no longer matriculating. If the other schools raised their "in house" standards, not "pushing" poor students through, then their pass rates might be higher as well. Duh!
 
PoddyMan said:
  1. If the average/national first time pass rate is, say, 82%, and some schools have 90+ pass rates, then some schools have significantly less than 82% pass rate.
  2. Those students who fail the part 1 exam have a very poor chance of passing it the 2nd, 3rd, etc time. That's why repeater scores aren't included.
  3. Unfortunately, those who pass do not receive a numerical value, which could skew the results even more (i.e., "good" school average pass scores way higher than the others). I would like to see numerical pass scores. However, the NBPME strongly discourages the use of pass scores for anything other than for state licensure.

Some schools argue that the schools with high pass rates don't "allow" the poor students to take the exam. I strongly doubt this, because the "poor" students more than likely flunked out and are no longer matriculating. If the other schools raised their "in house" standards, not "pushing" poor students through, then their pass rates might be higher as well. Duh!
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I would think that the more our board exams mirror the USMLE, the better it would be for podiatrists during scope of practice issues and hospital privileging among other things. More broadly, the more the technicalities of our training could be mirrorred with the MD/DOs (I dont know, board exams, board certifications, I'm sure there is more), the less room there is for them to say "but DPM training is different than ours, so we cannot compare it". Does the NBPME and other orginizations simply not realize this, or is there some sort of overarching reason for these sorts of things?
 
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