Non us IMG asking for chances on radiology

[knosway14]

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Wich of the following applicants have better chances of matching (radiology)
Both candidates have step 1: 240 and 2 over 250 and CS 1st attempt

Candidate X
YOG : 6-7 years + homeland or Europe residency

Candidate Y
YOG : 2-3 Years + no homeland residency ..

 

[preDoGuy24]

What is a homeland residency?


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[knosway14]

What is a homeland residency?


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Complete a radiology program outside us

 

[gonogo]

Complete a radiology program outside us

If you completed residency abroad you don't need to do residency again in the US, you can just apply directly for fellowship. Unlike other specialties, you don't need a US residency to get board certified in radiology.

 

[shark2000]

There is no guarantee that the alternative pathway will exist in 5 years.

 

[Baller MD]

There is no guarantee that the alternative pathway will exist in 5 years.

I would bet the old fatcats in academia would still want free labor 5 years from now.

 

[shark2000]

I would bet the old fatcats in academia would still want free labor 5 years from now.

With the new board format, almost everyone is doing a fellowship and a lot of 4th years are spending a great part of their 4th year in one subspecialty. This means the old fatcats will have enough supply of cheap labor.

 

[PL198]

There is no guarantee that the alternative pathway will exist in 5 years.

isn't this actually a pretty moot point though in terms of how it affects supply? I remember another poster saying the amount of people that actually utilize the alternative pathway was pretty small, like 50 over a span of 5 years or something? I still think it's stupid, but I feel like it's important to understand the magnitude of how its affecting job market

 

[preDoGuy24]

isn't this actually a pretty moot point though in terms of how it affects supply? I remember another poster saying the amount of people that actually utilize the alternative pathway was pretty small, like 50 over a span of 5 years or something? I still think it's stupid, but I feel like it's important to understand the magnitude of how its affecting job market

I think it's actually closer to 200ish/year. The ABR doesn't have the most clear stats available if I remember correctly when I last glanced at it (while having a similar discussion).


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[Baller MD]

I think it's actually closer to 200ish/year. The ABR doesn't have the most clear stats available if I remember correctly when I last glanced at it (while having a similar discussion).


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200/year is a lot...

 

[preDoGuy24]

200/year is a lot...

That's what I said.


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[shark2000]

I think it's actually closer to 200ish/year. The ABR doesn't have the most clear stats available if I remember correctly when I last glanced at it (while having a similar discussion).


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I am pretty sure that this number is wrong. 3 years ago I heard from a reliable resource that it is about 30-40/y though that year was exceptionally low with only 15 or so graduates.

Just to get an idea look at the fellows in most programs. For example, I go to one of big California programs once a week to attend their conferences. They don't have any fellow in alternative pathway. I know that most or probably all Cali programs don't accept alternative pathway anymore. 10 years ago they used to have about 20% of their fellows in alternative pathway. Also consider that having a fellow who did not do residency in US does not necessary mean alternative pathway since there are some people esp from UK who come to US for a year of fellowship and then go back to their home country. It seems finding a radiology fellowship in UK is very hard.

Anyway, the alternative pathway is stupid and should be phased out.

To OP: Even if you can enter alternative pathway, you will have a very hard time getting certain fellowships in US. I assume it will be very very hard for a none US resident to get fellowships in IR, mammo and MSK while these fields have more US applicants than positions these days. Body, Chest and Nucs fellowships are still easy to get buy it seems they have enough US applicants.

 

[knosway14]

I am pretty sure that this number is wrong. 3 years ago I heard from a reliable resource that it is about 30-40/y though that year was exceptionally low with only 15 or so graduates.

Just to get an idea look at the fellows in most programs. For example, I go to one of big California programs once a week to attend their conferences. They don't have any fellow in alternative pathway. I know that most or probably all Cali programs don't accept alternative pathway anymore. 10 years ago they used to have about 20% of their fellows in alternative pathway. Also consider that having a fellow who did not do residency in US does not necessary mean alternative pathway since there are some people esp from UK who come to US for a year of fellowship and then go back to their home country. It seems finding a radiology fellowship in UK is very hard.

Anyway, the alternative pathway is stupid and should be phased out.

To OP: Even if you can enter alternative pathway, you will have a very hard time getting certain fellowships in US. I assume it will be very very hard for a none US resident to get fellowships in IR, mammo and MSK while these fields have more US applicants than positions these days. Body, Chest and Nucs fellowships are still easy to get buy it seems they have enough US applicants.

Well i will apply to both radiology and fellow. I will have to re-do 4-5 years training anyway