still looking for info on child neuro...

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To anyone who matched in child neuro - I would love to hear what you thought about various programs.

Also, I am still trying to figure out how someone who does an adult neuro residency can get training (post residency) in peds neuo.
 
Hi fellow aspiring child neurologist,

I too would be interesting in hearing applicants perspective on different programs. I think that if you do adult neurology i.e. intern year plus 3 years of adult neurology, you may then do a child neurology fellowship which is about 2 years, then you would be a neurologist with special competency in child neurology. However, some would argue that the child neurology route i.e. 2 years peds, or 1 years ped + 1 year internal medicine, or 1 year peds then 1 year research, the 3 years of adult + peds neuro (5 years total)gives you a better background in the general pediatric background of your child neurology patients than the fellowship post adult neuro, and you can be board certified in neurology AND pediatrics with a special competency in child neurology. It seems to be a shorter route doing child neurology residency straight up if you are decided that you want to go that route, (as I plan to do) as you would then be able to do a fellowship if you wanted more specialization i.e. neuroimmunology to do pediatric HIV neurology research . . . as I am considering doing.
 
I'm a recent match in child neuro and pretty stoked about where I'm going and what I'm going to be doing! This is the way I look at it:
I knew I wanted to do neurology but wasn't certain on adult v. peds. I got to my internal med rotation in my 3rd year and HATED it! After that, the decision was a little easier. I still love the idea of adult neurology but wouldn't want to exclusively see adults. That being said, there are still disciplines within adult where you can see children - like movement disorders. But if you want to see kids most of the time, I think it's better to do 2 years peds + 3 years child neuro (with one year of adult neuro in there). You get board certified in neurology/child neurology and have the option of being boarded in peds (so you can moonlight). I know I'll be more of a child neurologist than a pediatrician, but I would rather have the two years of experience in pediatrics in order to be a better clinician.
If you want more specifics on programs, esp the one I matched to, feel free to PM me!
 
I am definitely neuro-bound, and am presently trying to decide between adult and peds neuro so I would like to hear more about what influenced your decision.

I haven't done internal yet but I did do peds which I enjoyed quite a bit - especially the outpatient setting. Five years ago I would never have considered peds or a peds subspecialty but since having one of my own I have gained more appreciation for working with kids.

Right now, one of the biggest things pushing me towards peds neuro is the patient population and the diseases they present with. Seeing depressed demented people with strokes all day isn't appealing to me but movements disorders, developmental disorders, and epilepsy are.

Would love to hear other people's perspectives on any of the above.

Also, how many programs did you apply to? Which did you find most interesting?

Finally, if anyone knows the match stats for '05 I would like to hear them.
 
My two cents-
Before you decide on peds neuro, it might be helpful to shadow/work with a pediatric neurologist in their clinic, I have done it and liked it alot, but it is much different from well-child visit in a general pediatrician's office, if you like working with children who are sick instead of well-visits then I would suggest child neuro. Also, remember you have two patients --the child and the parents! The parents are often struggling with dealing with their child's illness, often having read through more books on the topic than you and can sometimes be sad, but it is great if you love giving information to people and reassurance and providing support as their child's doctor. IMHO, the pediatricians that I worked with on my peds rotation did much different work than child neurologists as they were intensivists who saw mostly asthma exacerbations, GI stuff, and acute inpatient stuff, which someone needs to do, but didn't really have the long term relationship with their patients or try to change meds and therapy regimes to help their patients. Also, general child neurology has a HUGE social component, i.e. helping parents who needs special education for kids, setting up resources, I worked with a child neurologist and she told the adult neurology resident from MGH that this isn't probably what the resident expected, and the resident agreed, i.e. there were alot of development cases, learning disabilities, but it varies depending on what you are specializing in, there appear to be alot of fellowships AFTER neurology or child neurology residency i.e. neuroimmunology, neurogenetics etc . . . I plan to do one of these to see more medically complicated children, but whatever you decide to do in childneurology you will be needed, which is sort of satisfying in itself, including academics. So I guess the morale is shadow a child neurologist, they will probably let you observe them with their patients and you can ask alot of questions about the field. Just my 2 cents!
 
Just got this years match stats, looks like US seniors did very well, which is good to hear!
US Senoirs matched 98%
US Grads matched 89%
IMG's matched 86%
Avg Matched USMLE 217 (up from 214 last year)
Avg No match USMLE 207 (holds steady from last year)
Of the 113 spots for starting 2008 only 44 remain unfilled
Hope everyone is doing well, I just got done taking my Step 2 CK earlier today, glad thats done with, now I am on total cruise control 😎
 
Thanks for the info...but where did you come by it? I am having trouble finding that sort of data.

Congrats on finishing the CK. How was it? I have heard it was nothing to worry about but officials at my school have been freaking out over it.

Also, I just heard that Neurology will not be using the SF match for the upcoming round of applications (i.e. the 2007 match for current 3rd years). This is a 2nd hand report (my neuro program director told a friend who told me) so I would like to know if anyone else heard the same thing.
 
jollyvulcan said:
Also, I just heard that Neurology will not be using the SF match for the upcoming round of applications (i.e. the 2007 match for current 3rd years). This is a 2nd hand report (my neuro program director told a friend who told me) so I would like to know if anyone else heard the same thing.

Here is a quick link to the SF match page notifying that Neurology is no longer part of the SF match:

http://www.sfmatch.org/regForms/NEMPregNotice.html

You can also email the NRMP at [email protected] and they repeated that Neurology as a specialty (the majority of programs) had decided to move to the regular match for next year 2007 (pgy/2008 positions). They also stated that there will be more information available this spring. Hope that helps,
 
Cardsfan said:
Just got this years match stats, looks like US seniors did very well, which is good to hear!
US Senoirs matched 98%
US Grads matched 89%
IMG's matched 86%
Avg Matched USMLE 217 (up from 214 last year)
Avg No match USMLE 207 (holds steady from last year)
Of the 113 spots for starting 2008 only 44 remain unfilled
Hope everyone is doing well, I just got done taking my Step 2 CK earlier today, glad thats done with, now I am on total cruise control 😎

I am a newbie and don't know much about residency, but do these stats listed mean that 86% of foriegn grads. matched in a residency, or that 86% of foriegn grads matched in a neuro residency...? Sorry, I just don't know.

-So does that mean that foreign grads. can easily get a neuro residency?
-Is the main thing that determines if you match in the area you want to match your step 1 and 2 scores? Or also grades in med sch. ?

-do psychiatry/neurology residencies exist? how about pediatric neurology or pediatric neurology combined with either 1. (child) psychiatry OR 2. peds
I don't know much about this all, so please dont yell at me for trying to learn. Thanks to anyone of you willing to help me out! 🙂
 
I was wondering if anyone knows of a list of pediatric neurology programs? I looked on the SF Match site, but it the Child Neuro section is currently on hiatus, so I wasn't able to find a list. If anyone can direct me to one or post a list of programs, I would really appreciate it! 🙂
 
medulla said:
I was wondering if anyone knows of a list of pediatric neurology programs? I looked on the SF Match site, but it the Child Neuro section is currently on hiatus, so I wasn't able to find a list. If anyone can direct me to one or post a list of programs, I would really appreciate it! 🙂

Go to FREIDA online at this website http://www.ama-assn.org/vapp/freida/srch and choose Child Neurology
 


I would like to know how to find the ranking of child neurology program . Any thought on Vanderbilt child neuro program?





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I have never seen any official ranking of pedi neuro programs but the programs I often hear being listed at the "top" (in no particular order) are:

Boston Children's
CHOP
Wash U

While Cincinnati Children's is normally not mentioned in the same breath, they have a very strong and large program and I would personally place them at the top.

I actually interviewed at Vanderbilt and liked their program enough to place it high on my list. They are within an adult neuro program so it has a different feel than most other programs with a free-standing children's hospital but I think it works to their advantage as their adult neuro program is very strong and diverse with something like 50 clinicians. They have a strong adult sleep program so if you are interested in sleep disorders (both child and adult) it might be a good place for you.

They are bringing in a lot of young faculty for their pedi neuro division with heavy interest in research (I met two MD/PhDs who had been there less than 2 years) and the have Dr Fenichel who wrote one of the best books on pedi neuro for trainees and seems like a wonderful person to train with.

Their children's hospital is awesome and probably my favorite in terms of facilities although I did have some reservations about their peds program itself.

All in all - a solid place to train.
 
Hey everyone--

I'm applying in peds neuro this year, but I had a question-- are there any peds programs that are particularly amenable to people doing peds neuro (ie; not minding having to lose a resident for the PGY-3 year?). I've heard some mixed things, so I kinda wanted to get some thoughts on it.

Good luck to everyone applying! 🙂
 
I'm a child neuro match, currently doing my intern year at Children's National in DC (where I am also doing my neuro). The peds program is pretty amenable to matching neuro folks, whether they are doing their neuro at CNMC or elsewhere. Love the program here - kind of neuro-onc heavy because of our chairman, but the fifth year is pretty open for developing your own interests. We have a dedicated neuro unit, but the general peds residents all rotate through it as second-years, which has two benefits. As a child neuro resident, it means you are treated more like a fellow, as you are supervising the residents (who are taking the in-house call). It also means that the senior peds residents have some neuro background, so I've heard that we get fewer innappropriate consults from the floor team. Both of these are big pluses over some programs where the child neuro residents are the only ones caring for the patients on the neuro floor.

In terms of other programs, I interviewed mainly on the East Coast from Boston to Richmond, although I also headed out to U.Mich, which I was pretty impressed with. Michigan now does a combined five year program, though, and I definitely wanted to at least do my pediatric component in DC. By the end of the very long process, CNMC ended up being my top choice for both peds and child neuro and I couldn't be happier.

- Erick
 
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