Trying to decide pediatric anesthesia vs pediatric critical care

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Hi everyone,

I'm a 4th year and I've always wanted to do pediatrics but I'm really enjoying my anesthesia rotation so far and peds anesthesia is really appealing to me. Im a DO and not sure I'm competitive enough for combined peds anesthesia programs. Has anyone been in a similar situation or switched from peds to anesthesia? I enjoy working with kids and find it rewarding but I don't enjoy the paperwork, consults, social issues etc. I find anesthesia the right pace for me and enjoy the people I've been working with. My favorite subjects in med school were pharm/phys and I like the OR setting. Thanks!
 
I finished peds and am now doing anesthesia as I couldn't choose between peds anesthesia and peds critical care. Long road, but the training is solid. Peds anesthesia combined programs are not as competitive as you may think, mainly because very few people are actually interested in them. But with all that being said, it sounds like you're more an anesthesiologist than a pediatrician if you don't like paperwork, consults, and social issues.
 
If you like outpatient medical management of kids then do a pediatric residency. I found our pediatric anesthesiologist to be much better at managing the pediatric difficult airway than pediatric critical care intensivist--and in pediatric anesthesia/critical care it boils down to 1) Cardiac abnormalities, 2) Airway, 3) everything else (infectious disease, cancer, metabolic disorders, etc). You are also taking care of children during their most critical period--e.g., craniotomies for brain tumors, scoliosis surgery, diaphragmatic hernia repairs, etc..

You also have to have a high frustration tolerance for the most difficult lines --especially for pediatric hearts and premature babies where it is often difficult to get central and arterial line access. No need to do a combined residency though (though I know people who are double-boarded they are usually that way because they switched from pediatrics to anesthesiology).
 
While the knowledge requirements are similar, the jobs are very, very different. I suggest spending lots of time with both to get an idea of what the daily life is like. Ultimately that should make up your mind, but having spent plenty of time with both the major differences seem to be:

Benefits of peds anesthesia:
-better pay
-less nights
-more fun - my enjoyment of both adult and peds ICUs waned as I went on in my training, eventually it can get very hard to be around super sick patients all the time

Benefits of PICU:
-few clinical weeks (I think most places full time is like 10-20 weeks on service? granted there's stuff to do in the office the other weeks but still that's pretty good)
-can go to the bathroom, eat when you want (often for free at lunch lectures)
-more time for academic work
-more respect, influence in the hospital - especially important if you have leadership ambitions

The road to do both is long but can result in a very satisfying position, in academics.
 
If you like outpatient medical management of kids then do a pediatric residency.
It's a means to an end. Those of us in NICU/PICU are drawn to the lack of outpatient medicine, so the end result is the same. I think there is substantial benefit in understanding outpatient and ER management of a number of bread and butter PICU conditions (asthma, DKA, seizures, etc).

I found our pediatric anesthesiologist to be much better at managing the pediatric difficult airway than pediatric critical care intensivist
This should be patently obvious. An peds anesthesia fellow is probably doing 15-20+ pediatric intubations a week almost every week for a year...after doing those types of numbers for 3 years. A PICU fellow is getting maybe 6 intubations a month. Every PICU fellowship I know of puts their fellows in to the OR for 2-4 weeks, but it's just not comparable. If a peds anesthesiologist is the New England Patriots, most PICU attendings are at best a mid level college team, and probably more like a good HS team.


@BizzBid
What it comes down to are two things:

1) do you like being in the OR?
If you can see that being your daily life for the next 30+ years, then anesthesia might be right for you. Many people don't love being in the OR, though, or can't see it being there on a daily basis (on either side of the drape)

2) Can you put up with seeing adults for the first 4 years of your training, if you know you really want to work with kids?
I knew from my 4th year of med school on that I wanted to do PICU, and ran into a lot of anesthesiologists who told me I should I anesthesia to get to the PICU. But for me, having to deal with adult patients for 4 years was untenable. It was significantly better for me to deal with outpatient general peds clinic than see adults in any way, shape, form or fashion. For someone else, being in the OR might be far more important and so adults are a means to an end just like outpatient clinic was for me.

How you fall on these two questions will tell you what you need to know.
 
@BizzBid
What it comes down to are two things:

1) do you like being in the OR?
If you can see that being your daily life for the next 30+ years, then anesthesia might be right for you. Many people don't love being in the OR, though, or can't see it being there on a daily basis (on either side of the drape)

2) Can you put up with seeing adults for the first 4 years of your training, if you know you really want to work with kids?
I knew from my 4th year of med school on that I wanted to do PICU, and ran into a lot of anesthesiologists who told me I should I anesthesia to get to the PICU. But for me, having to deal with adult patients for 4 years was untenable. It was significantly better for me to deal with outpatient general peds clinic than see adults in any way, shape, form or fashion. For someone else, being in the OR might be far more important and so adults are a means to an end just like outpatient clinic was for me.

How you fall on these two questions will tell you what you need to know.[/QUOTE]

When I set out into anesthesia residency, I knew I wanted to do Peds 100% and I was kinda not super hot on doing lots of adult cases.

Fortunately it turns out that having a really strong background in adult anesthesia lends itself to learning the nuances of pediatric anesthesia.

I also ended up really liking the adult side of things as well. So much so that I would be ok if I end up taking some adult cases from time to time in my future “real job”.
 
Thank you all for the great advice! I think at this point I am leaning towards anesthesia. I ideally want to work with pediatric population but don't mind adults. ERAS is due Sep. 15th and as of no I am trying to secure an Anesthesia letter. Would it hurt me if most of my app is geared towards pediatrics? ( I'll obviously change my personal statement to focus on anesthesia). Thanks!
 
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Dude, if you love kids, do peds, not anesthesia. That's the only way you are guaranteed to deal 100% with kids (and their dumb parents).

In anesthesia, you will have take care of a lot of adults not only in internship/residency, but also as a pediatric anesthesiologist. The world in which pediatric anesthesiologists only do kids is ending, due to the inflation of fellowship-trained people, so, even in children, most of your cases will be tonsils and adenoids, not hearts and cranis. 😉

We are simply going to have way too many bored-certified pediatric anesthesiologists, by the time you graduate. One doesn't need a fellowship for 90% of the pediatric anesthesia cases in this country.

Many pediatric anesthesiologists are people who don't like anesthesia too much, similarly to the pain or CCM people. They usually discover this during residency and look for the next best thing they can live with. And since most people like kids...

But if you already KNOW you want to work with kids, peds is the way, my friend.
 
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The comparison doesn't even make sense to me. You like kids and want to work with them......when they're asleep under anesthesia? It's more like you like kids, but you like anesthesia money. In that case, become a pediatric specialist.
 
The comparison doesn't even make sense to me. You like kids and want to work with them......when they're asleep under anesthesia? It's more like you like kids, but you like anesthesia money. In that case, become a pediatric specialist.

Dude, peds specialists are some of the lowest-paying professions out there. Those are some true saints to do 3 year residency and 3 year fellowship to make low 200s. It's not like the adult world where cards and GI specialists are printing money.
 
Dude, peds specialists are some of the lowest-paying professions out there. Those are some true saints to do 3 year residency and 3 year fellowship to make low 200s. It's not like the adult world where cards and GI specialists are printing money.

Yep. Good friend of my wife is Peds heme onc with super fellowship in bone marrow transplant... starting at 200. You can make double that as a Peds anesthesiologist pretty easily, with less time put in.
 
Dude, peds specialists are some of the lowest-paying professions out there. Those are some true saints to do 3 year residency and 3 year fellowship to make low 200s. It's not like the adult world where cards and GI specialists are printing money.
Quite honestly, I was just guessing. I have no idea how much peds specialists make......I just know it's less than me😉
 
The comparison doesn't even make sense to me. You like kids and want to work with them......when they're asleep under anesthesia? It's more like you like kids, but you like anesthesia money. In that case, become a pediatric specialist.
To be fair many PICU patients aren't interactive either and that is the comparison presented in this thread.
 
To be fair many PICU patients aren't interactive either and that is the comparison presented in this thread.
Well as said above, very few peds fellowship trained anesthesiologists are doing pediatrics everyday, all day. Even in academic institutions, the peds "person" will find themselves doing adults more often than not. If you do pediatrics and then a pediatric critical care, that will be all you do.

So I would say based on the OP post, they should do peds critical care. As with most things pediatrics, the parents are the worst part of the field.
 
When I set out into anesthesia residency, I knew I wanted to do Peds 100% and I was kinda not super hot on doing lots of adult cases.

Fortunately it turns out that having a really strong background in adult anesthesia lends itself to learning the nuances of pediatric anesthesia.

I also ended up really liking the adult side of things as well. So much so that I would be ok if I end up taking some adult cases from time to time in my future “real job”.

So being in the OR was a higher priority for you, and taking care of adults was a means to an end.

I'll add that in any situation, being a strong generalist makes you a better subspecialist.



As for the money aspect...have to keep in mind that other than in the NICU, 90%+ of jobs for pediatric subspecialists are at academic medical centers. Might be 100% in some fields. So you combine academic salary deflation with pediatric salary deflation and people end up working for peanuts. However, job satisfaction remains high across pediatric fields FWIW.
 
So being in the OR was a higher priority for you, and taking care of adults was a means to an end.

I'll add that in any situation, being a strong generalist makes you a better subspecialist.



As for the money aspect...have to keep in mind that other than in the NICU, 90%+ of jobs for pediatric subspecialists are at academic medical centers. Might be 100% in some fields. So you combine academic salary deflation with pediatric salary deflation and people end up working for peanuts. However, job satisfaction remains high across pediatric fields FWIW.

Mostly because of call burden. I would argue that what makes just about everyone in medicine hate their job is directly related to call burden. We can argue who has it better, q3 in house making 400-600k vs no call (or very low call) making 200k.
 
As for the money aspect...have to keep in mind that other than in the NICU, 90%+ of jobs for pediatric subspecialists are at academic medical centers. Might be 100% in some fields. So you combine academic salary deflation with pediatric salary deflation and people end up working for peanuts. However, job satisfaction remains high across pediatric fields FWIW.

True, but.... Peds docs get to wear bow ties everyday.

You can’t put a price tag on that kind of happiness.
 
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Or you can do both jobs like this guy🙂 His path was peds—>PICU—>anesthesia
 
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I've met people who did peds, chief year, picu, anesthesia, peds anesthesia, peds heart superfellowship. 12 years.
 
I've met people who did peds, chief year, picu, anesthesia, peds anesthesia, peds heart superfellowship. 12 years.

Either they really really want to be super comfortable with all peds cases or just want to be in academic forever.
Edit: or want their federal loans to be forgiven.
 
PICU is three years? I really hope they has some nice academic job lined up. Or they don’t have a SO and kids.....
 
I was much like you in med school. I’m in a combined Peds and Anesthesia program and so far all of our graduates are choosing anesthesia-based careers (most Peds anesthesia and Peds cardiac anesthesia, obviously). Most of us came in wanting to do some PICU and Peds anesthesia but the practical hurdles to doing both (and the ridiculous length of pediatric sub-specialty training and the massive pay differential when you’re an attending) have led all of us so far to choose careers in anesthesiology. On top of that, ~1/3 of the Peds anesthesia faculty at my institution are Peds (and even Peds critical care) trained people who chose to then do anesthesiology and only one of them does any pediatrics clinical time. I’ve never heard of anyone retraining in pediatrics after anesthesiology. We also had an anesthesia resident last year who is now a Peds anesthesia fellow who had completed Peds and PICU training just prior to her second residency.

I’m very glad I did the combined training, but the career choices of the people I’ve described should tell you why I would choose anesthesiology over pediatrics if I were equally interested in both and combined training weren’t an option for me.


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This response may be a bit dark, but going the Anesthesa-Peds fellowship route also leaves you with options, and I'm sorry, in this medicine game in general you always need options. If for some strange reason you wake up one morning and decide you're tired of kids you can always just do adult and you've saved a good 3 yrs or more of your life. Sure Captain 12 year residency could probably still do adult anesthesia but as we always argue on the "should I do a fellowship threads" 2 residencies with 2 fellowships is A TON of lost salary.
 
This response may be a bit dark, but going the Anesthesa-Peds fellowship route also leaves you with options, and I'm sorry, in this medicine game in general you always need options.

That was actually my rationale for doing anesthesia as someone originally interested solely in PICU. After seeing how many intensivists burn out, the option of an extra 3-4 years to give my career a long tail with potentially millions of dollars more pay differential over ~30 years, seemed like a decent trade off.
 
Hey I'm Peds who switched into Anesthesia with the goal of Peds Anesthesia+/- PICU or another super fellowship. There have been extensive pluses and minuses discussed above.

If you like children, you can still go anesthesia and then peds anesthesia. The work and scope of a Pediatricitan/ PICU is very different from Peds Anesthesia.

I think if youre not sure you can always do Peds then apply to Anesthesiology at the end of Peds. It makes you hy[per competitive on the Peds Anesthesia circuit.

PM if you want to talk.
 
Also remember there are other less traditional paths into Peds CC from Anesthesia. For instance you could do Peds CV anesthesia then a one year Pedi CVICU fellowship (especially if you are Peds trained). Some people have negotiated doing some extra time in the PICU along the way and get full PICU privlidges when done (but this is rare).

I would say if you are not afraid to be a PGY 10+, do Peds first and buckle up for a very interesting academic oriented career. But if you are chiefly motivated by lifestyle and pay with no regards to academics etc- do General Peds Anesthesia and make 2x what a Peds ICU doc makes.
 
Resurrecting this discussion.

I'm currently a PGY2 in a pediatric residency. I was a PICU nurse before I went to med school and was convinced that was where I wanted to end up after I was done with training. I am wrapping up a peds anesthesia elective and have REALLY enjoyed it. After doing some soul searching, I think I would be better off doing anesthesia residency after I am done with my peds residency, and then if I decide I still want to do peds CCM later, I can apply to fellowship then. I've worked with the super-trained Peds/PICU/Anesthesia/Peds Anesthesia people before, and feel that this combination may be what I am looking for eventually, but I imagine that it is hard to split time between PICU and anesthesia in many institutions because they fall under separate departments. Any input on this?

Any advice on how best to position myself to apply to anesthesia after being peds trained? Does the reimbursement issue for the residency program (as this would be a 2nd residency and hence would not be fully funded) play into their decision making when looking at applicants?

I appreciate any thoughts you may have.
 
Resurrecting this discussion.

Any advice on how best to position myself to apply to anesthesia after being peds trained? Does the reimbursement issue for the residency program (as this would be a 2nd residency and hence would not be fully funded) play into their decision making when looking at applicants?

I appreciate any thoughts you may have.

You will be a very competitive applicant for anesthesia by virtue of already having a residency (and to a lesser degree, prior career in nursing) under your belt. The programs worth applying to and subsequently matching at will have no funding issues. Didn't even come up for me. Feel free to PM for more detailed information.
 
Resurrecting this discussion.

I'm currently a PGY2 in a pediatric residency. I was a PICU nurse before I went to med school and was convinced that was where I wanted to end up after I was done with training. I am wrapping up a peds anesthesia elective and have REALLY enjoyed it. After doing some soul searching, I think I would be better off doing anesthesia residency after I am done with my peds residency, and then if I decide I still want to do peds CCM later, I can apply to fellowship then. I've worked with the super-trained Peds/PICU/Anesthesia/Peds Anesthesia people before, and feel that this combination may be what I am looking for eventually, but I imagine that it is hard to split time between PICU and anesthesia in many institutions because they fall under separate departments. Any input on this?

Any advice on how best to position myself to apply to anesthesia after being peds trained? Does the reimbursement issue for the residency program (as this would be a 2nd residency and hence would not be fully funded) play into their decision making when looking at applicants?

I appreciate any thoughts you may have.

I did one of the combined peds-anesthesia programs so feel free to PM if you want to have a longer discussion. You'll be fine, especially if your board scores are competitive. One of our peds senior residents matched last year and will be a CA-1 at my institution next year. On average, we have 1 resident every couple of years do anesthesia and I'd say a third of our peds anesthesia attendings have some peds training (anywhere from finishing a peds or med/peds residency to having finished PICU fellowship). It's not nearly as rare as you might think. Anesthesia is used to taking in people from other specialties who saw the light.
 
Resurrecting this discussion.

I'm currently a PGY2 in a pediatric residency. I was a PICU nurse before I went to med school and was convinced that was where I wanted to end up after I was done with training. I am wrapping up a peds anesthesia elective and have REALLY enjoyed it. After doing some soul searching, I think I would be better off doing anesthesia residency after I am done with my peds residency, and then if I decide I still want to do peds CCM later, I can apply to fellowship then. I've worked with the super-trained Peds/PICU/Anesthesia/Peds Anesthesia people before, and feel that this combination may be what I am looking for eventually, but I imagine that it is hard to split time between PICU and anesthesia in many institutions because they fall under separate departments. Any input on this?

Any advice on how best to position myself to apply to anesthesia after being peds trained? Does the reimbursement issue for the residency program (as this would be a 2nd residency and hence would not be fully funded) play into their decision making when looking at applicants?

I appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Agree with what the others have said, and there are many ways to get there. Have seen Peds->PICU->anesthesia, Anesthesia->peds->PICU, and Peds->Anesthesia->PICU all done in the past. The ones who went Peds>PICU>anesthesia was actually able to get some accommodations to essentially wrench a peds anesthesia fellowship into her anesthesia residency somehow so they had done all the requirements by the time they graduated. I don't know the exact details.

Talk with your program director, talk with the Peds anesthesiologists and the PICU people, and really sort through the options.
The one thing I would stress though is that you know what the PICU is like, it's old hat while the OR is the new shiny thing. And just like with med students, the OR and getting to do lines and tubes can be super thrilling when you don't usually have those opportunities, so it's in your best interest to really continue that soul searching before making the jump. Obviously it's nearly Feb and you'll have to pull together applications for either fellowship or residency so you need to make this a priority.
 
The one thing I would stress though is that you know what the PICU is like, it's old hat while the OR is the new shiny thing. And just like with med students, the OR and getting to do lines and tubes can be super thrilling when you don't usually have those opportunities, so it's in your best interest to really continue that soul searching before making the jump. Obviously it's nearly Feb and you'll have to pull together applications for either fellowship or residency so you need to make this a priority.

Thank you all for your replies! I think it's stressful and sometimes frightening to alter your trajectory, especially when Peds->PICU was my plan for so long, so I appreciate the reassurance.

I didn't add in my whole Bio in the original message for brevity's sake, but have also been a paramedic for nearly 20 years now, and am on a FEMA Urban Search & Rescue team as a paramedic. I can easily transition into a physician position on the team once I have my medical license. I think part of what is also pushing me towards the anesthesia route vs peds-> PICU is that if I do anesthesia, it keeps me "relevant" to adult care, as I hope to continue my work with the USAR team as a physician. I totally understand, however, that in order to make this truly relevant, that I cannot limit my practice as an anesthesiologist to just pediatrics. I was told by numerous people that to maintain relevancy in EMS/pre-hospital/disaster medicine that the best way to do that is through an EM residency, but I am just not interested in EM as my career path for numerous reasons.

Any anesthesiologists involved in pre-hospital or disaster medicine? Would love to hear your experiences and paths to where you are now.

Thank you again!
 
I didn't add in my whole Bio in the original message for brevity's sake, but have also been a paramedic for nearly 20 years now, and am on a FEMA Urban Search & Rescue team as a paramedic. I can easily transition into a physician position on the team once I have my medical license. I think part of what is also pushing me towards the anesthesia route vs peds-> PICU is that if I do anesthesia, it keeps me "relevant" to adult care, as I hope to continue my work with the USAR team as a physician. I totally understand, however, that in order to make this truly relevant, that I cannot limit my practice as an anesthesiologist to just pediatrics. I was told by numerous people that to maintain relevancy in EMS/pre-hospital/disaster medicine that the best way to do that is through an EM residency, but I am just not interested in EM as my career path for numerous reasons.

Yes, the adult portion of pre-hospital stuff is important, although Pediatric transport medicine is woefully under-researched (my scholarly activity while a PICU fellow was related to Peds transport medicine). That specific role of Medical Director likely needs the adult care portion, particularly going forward 5 or 10 years down the road. There is a niche for Peds people in disaster medicine and larger pre-hospital systems though. You certainly have a path forward that would be desirable to PICU fellowships once you start you interviews.

Now that EMS is an actual accredited fellowship, it seems like it's made a huge jump in terms of how EM dominated it is. Even though the fellowship is open to anyone who has completed any ACGME approved residency, the training programs are being run almost entirely by Adult EM folks and because it's new, small, and generally unfunded (a few rare places have funding in place, but most are having EM people do shifts in the ED to generate revenue to cover the costs of the training program and their stipend), it's added an additional barrier for non-EM people to get into the field. I had looked into doing after my PICU fellowship and while most were excited to talk to me, in the end the funding issues killed any chance of going forward.

Not to muddy the waters even further for you... but all that said, since you're tacking on years of training at this point, you might consider the EMS fellowship as it's only an extra year. If you really foresee the FEMA team as your destination, you likely would be totally fine with only the extra EMS year after a PICU fellowship as the EMS board certification is the most relevant/proximal training to that position. But if you want the OR time, it goes without saying you need the anesthesia training

I didn't come to realize the EMS fellowship existed until 3rd year of fellowship and based on life circumstances, it was really difficult bypass going to that first attending job when the funding issues started to really show themselves. With a 3 year headstart especially if you were at a place that had an EMS fellowship, you likely could form connections with the powers that be, get a plan in place for an EMS fellowship and figure out the funding issues ahead of time. Doing anesthesia might make the funding issues easier to navigate as well, if you could convince the business offices to work out some way for your anesthesia revenue to get into the EMS fellowship coffers. Given that most PICU's are in financially distinct hospitals than the adult EM programs, it's probably impossible to get PICU shifts or even Peds ED/UC shifts to funnel money towards the fellowship, whereas adult anesthesia shifts would have fewer moving parts. You might also explore offering to EMS programs doing the fellowship as an unpaid fellow and then moonlighting where possible. Still doesn't solve all of the funding issues but saves the programs some costs that they might be amenable to.

Of course, in 4+ years from now, perhaps more of the EMS programs will have funding and this will all be moot.
 
Thank you all for your replies! I think it's stressful and sometimes frightening to alter your trajectory, especially when Peds->PICU was my plan for so long, so I appreciate the reassurance.

I didn't add in my whole Bio in the original message for brevity's sake, but have also been a paramedic for nearly 20 years now, and am on a FEMA Urban Search & Rescue team as a paramedic. I can easily transition into a physician position on the team once I have my medical license. I think part of what is also pushing me towards the anesthesia route vs peds-> PICU is that if I do anesthesia, it keeps me "relevant" to adult care, as I hope to continue my work with the USAR team as a physician. I totally understand, however, that in order to make this truly relevant, that I cannot limit my practice as an anesthesiologist to just pediatrics. I was told by numerous people that to maintain relevancy in EMS/pre-hospital/disaster medicine that the best way to do that is through an EM residency, but I am just not interested in EM as my career path for numerous reasons.

Any anesthesiologists involved in pre-hospital or disaster medicine? Would love to hear your experiences and paths to where you are now.

Thank you again!

Interesting background. It is pretty rare in this country to have anesthesiologists involved in prehospital medicine and even rarer/nonexistent to see them involved with disaster response. In other countries (I.e. most of Europe) this isn’t the case as EM isn’t as defined as a specialty there (ICUs and EDs are mostly run by anesthesia, actually) and their healthcare delivery is totally different as well. It of course makes more sense for EM to get involved as they are the recipients of patients and interface with EMS more directly.

I also find it interesting you chose Pediatrics as a specialty with your background. Pediatrics represents less than 5-10% of total EMS response at baseline. Plus, its going to be hard to break in from a non-procedural specialty like that, hence the anesthesia residency, but like others I would really highly recommend EM if you truly want to practice “disaster medicine” and do higher level work in that vein.

I, too, have a background in EMS and am one of the very few (really, the only one) non-EM folks that work with my local agency. Anesthesia brings a unique and valuable skill set, but I will definitely run into a “ceiling” in terms of how involved I can get. The medical director is and should probably always be an EM physician with an EMS fellowship - having someone that works directly in this environment in a day-to-day basis is invaluable in terms of care coordination. One day I can probably be an assistant or even associate director, but certainly not the chief.

Finally, like you I decided for several reasons not to pursue EM. I couldn’t stand all the non-emergency, obnoxious BS I saw out while doing EMS and nursing home dumps on the ED were ridiculous. Some love the variety and the “hourly” mentality, but I couldn’t get myself interested. I will say as someone who used to cover a rural ER in fellowship that it’s a very different skill set. Pursue an area that makes you happy and gets you excited to go into work - having a side hobby of EMS/FEMA is totally acceptable if it keeps you engaged (as it does for me) but again know you will only be able to go so far unless it is directly applicable to your career... which it wouldn’t as a pediatrician, anesthesiologist or pediatric intensivist
 
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