Interview Impressions 2016-2017

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There's probably more to the story than some poor resident being arbitrarily targeted for an impossible test.

My guess is this was a resident who had a ton of red flags and the staff needed to be sure a disaster resident didn't kill patients by being allowed to take call when they weren't ready. I may even go as far as to venture a guess that this exact is the one who made that post.
 
I suppose...I guess I just haven't heard of any other program using different tests/standards to gauge resident performance. Tests should be standardized and applied uniformly and fairly, with easily identified pass/fail criteria...

It would be interesting to see if anyone is willing to share information about other programs in regards to call prep-exams.


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BINGO.

There's probably more to the story than some poor resident being arbitrarily targeted for an impossible test.

My guess is this was a resident who had a ton of red flags and the staff needed to be sure a disaster resident didn't kill patients by being allowed to take call when they weren't ready. I may even go as far as to venture a guess that this exact is the one who made that post.
 
Priority number 1 for every hospital is patient care, not resident participation certificates. No program is immune to weak residents, even strong departments like Wisconsin.


This isn't grade school anymore. It's real life and you are responsible for peoples lives. Why should 31 residents have to take a test because of one bad resident? If you don't want to put in the same effort as your peers, be prepared to be evaluated on a different scale and under a microscope.
 
Good lord that UW rant is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

Complaining about doing research (which is required by every residency program in the country), needing to pass a basic competency exam in order to take call and needing to attend 90% of conferences.

If anyone had problems with these, good luck surviving any program

If you said,

"This program has a competency exam to take call, requires one research project over 4 years, and requires residents to attend 90% of conferences," it could be pretty much any program I interviewed at.
 
did you guys look at the poster's post history and recent posts? it appears he/she is an interviewee/possible student at UW. not resident
 
did you guys look at the poster's post history and recent posts? it appears he/she is an interviewee/possible student at UW. not resident

Lol, maybe op really wants to match at UW and posted this to scare everyone off and increase their chances. This is why you can't trust any program reviews until match lists are submitted. Talk to residents at your program if you want more honest information about various programs.
 
i think the OP is unlikely to be an interviewee. way too much detail than one would know from an interview day
 
Anyone care to share their experience from MUSC?
 
did you guys look at the poster's post history and recent posts? it appears he/she is an interviewee/possible student at UW. not resident

i think the OP is unlikely to be an interviewee. way too much detail than one would know from an interview day

yeah there's no way he's an interview applicant. What interview applicant picks up stuff like that in one day? even if he knows a resident, there's too much detail there. He's obviously a resident.
 
SDN is clearly anonymous, more people should feel comfortable posting their interview experiences...this entire thread has been consumed by one impression and that defeats its purpose. Come on folks!

People worry that this thread is no longer a safe place to post, and it would make sense for the Moderator to delete this thread and allow for a brand new impressions thread.

Anyone else support a new thread?
 
Emory - Historically a Top 20 program. Residents seemed super chill, but questionable composition. Didn't match ~6 residents ~2 years ago. Lots of IMGs, which is weird for a reputable program. Excellent research opportunities, TONS OF MONEY FOR RESEARCH w/ endowment, partnership with GA Tech for BME research, Top 15 IR program with tons of bread and butter + high level IR (virtually 0 PAD though - although this is a high area of focus). Somewhat higher turnover in recent years from what I understand. Also a beautiful main campus. One of the highest volume radiology programs I've heard of, so you will get tons of experience. Also 100% CORE exam pass rate since the new CORE (circa 2014?)

Cons: Lots of ATL traffic. You will be driving to ~4 hospitals within a 10 mile vicinity, but there is a ton of traffic always, so will be spending ~30 mins in traffic atleast daily.

[Edit] Call: Emory residents have 24 hour attending coverage.

Just to clarify his last point -- Emory residents have 24 hour call coverage at one of their sites. At Grady, where they do most of their call covering the ED nights shift, there is no attending on overnight.
 
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A little disappointing how dead these forums are. A few years ago it seemed there were some people posting a lot of interview impressions with great details on the programs but it's been crickets over the last two cycles...
 
A little disappointing how dead these forums are. A few years ago it seemed there were some people posting a lot of interview impressions with great details on the programs but it's been crickets over the last two cycles...

I agree. Maybe people should try requesting certain programs we are interested in hearing about and people might start to chat more about them! [emoji106]

I would be interested in anyone that has reviews on DMC, Geisinger or University of Cincinnati, thanks!


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It's very odd. When I applied, auntminnie and sdn were incredibly active communities for rads, with tons of good insight.

The last couple years we seem to only get troll comments from disgruntled residents.
 
It's very odd. When I applied, auntminnie and sdn were incredibly active communities for rads, with tons of good insight.

The last couple years we seem to only get troll comments from disgruntled residents.

were people posting interview impressions in december? I think it's just a time of the year thing. I'm sure people will open up post match

I haven't even been to an interview where I've gotten a strong impression either way. everyone says they have the best everything. either they have fellows and it's a benefit to learn from people specializing in their field, or they don't and it's a benefit to get to do more. Everyone pays for you to go to AIRP, everyone pays for you to go present research. I just feel like radiology training in general isn't a whole lot different program to program (within similar programs, obviously a community program in ND is going to be functionally different than MGH). Obviously you have nuances like call but it's not a whole lot different place to place.

I have no idea how people write like multiple paragraphs about each program. I can imagine other specialties being way different program to program but just don't see the opportunity for radiology.
 
I've found that asking the right questions is key. I agree that on the whole programs across the US are generally similar due to ACR/ACGME requirements and such. I think we can all agree that our country has the strongest medical training system in the world.

But, each program functions within its own microcosm. And, functionally, how the above guidelines are implemented and executed by each program is really what it boils down to.

For example, all programs have call, but not all programs have night float blocks. There are program specific reasons as to why...but they won't simply advertise their reasoning. You gotta ask, and you will get answers. Call setup understandably can be a deal maker/breaker for some.

All programs have call for residents, but not all programs have pre call exams. Why?

Some programs have residency fellowships, and others don't. This makes a significant difference in your overall training experience and what the program hopes to accomplish with its compliment of residents. If a resi-fellowship comprises your entire 4th year of training, then that leaves you with 3 years of general radiology training and even much less time to make an informed decision regarding fellowship training.

Some programs seem to lack diversity, racially/geographically/etc. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so there are reasons why this is the case.

How many sites/locations do residents and fellows cover? A commute can be make or break for some folks who may not have a car, who may have a disability, etc.

Moonlighting is a great example: some programs residents mention making 10-15 k a year, and that they can use it pretty much as cash. If this same program allowed you to make that much money but you could only use the money to buy books, would it still be appealing? I'm not sure that it would be.

Some programs have gone with spots unmatched in the past couple of years when generally the radiology market seemed to dry up. But, most programs filled 100 percent. Not a big deal on its face, but who knows...

Interview days are arranged to reflect as positively as possible by the programs. This makes sense since programs are selling what they have to offer. So the onus really is on the interviewees to be active participants and not worry so much about "asking the wrong question," offending someone, or standing out...

Buyer beware, as the saying goes.
 
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I'll post about Yale - It is a straight up mediocre program hiding behind the Yale name. The quality of the residents is very broad - both polarizing personalities to extremely personable. Of note - one of the top feeders to the Yale New Haven program is SGU (ala doximity). Lots of IMGs. There is also talk of closing the Bridgeport program and merging the residents, i.e. making the quality of the residents even more poor. Even though the quality of the program might not be great job placement does not seem to be an issue howeve as private practice jobs love to have the Yale name (this was told to me by a resident verbatim) . Won't last long however if you have a ****ty training - which is very possible here as the program is essentially attendings/fellow driven. The number of cases you read is completely up to you and how motivated you are - no one will pressure you to read more. This reminds me of the Yale medical school system (no grades, no shelves, lol).

Also IR - wow, without a double the most malignant program I've been to so far. Mostly FMGs. They fired one of the fellows last year. They don't give a **** about work life balance and will literally take EVERY IR consult in the hospital. Sure, there is a good mix of high level IR (except PAD) , but also a ton of bitchwork cases that are usually done by other departments or midlevels at other places. Typical work day (which the attendings take pride in apparently is 5am to 10PM when you are NOT on call).

Oh also - they also loved talking about the resources Yale has. This is true. Lots of well known faculty - but whatever, they didn't seem personable. The IR chair was really rude to the fellows and generally unapproachable.


Tldr - Hiding behind the Yale name, a massively mediocre and malignant program with high potential for research.
 
I've found that asking the right questions is key. I agree that on the whole programs across the US are generally similar due to ACR/ACGME requirements and such. I think we can all agree that our country has the strongest medical training system in the world.

But, each program functions within its own microcosm. And, functionally, how the above guidelines are implemented and executed by each program is really what it boils down to.

For example, all programs have call, but not all programs have night float blocks. There are program specific reasons as to why...but they won't simply advertise their reasoning. You gotta ask, and you will get answers. Call setup understandably can be a deal maker/breaker for some.

All programs have call for residents, but not all programs have pre call exams. Why?

Some programs have residency fellowships, and others don't. This makes a significant difference in your overall training experience and what the program hopes to accomplish with its compliment of residents. If a resi-fellowship comprises your entire 4th year of training, then that leaves you with 3 years of general radiology training and even much less time to make an informed decision regarding fellowship training.

Some programs seem to lack diversity, racially/geographically/etc. Nothing happens in a vacuum, so there are reasons why this is the case.

How many sites/locations do residents and fellows cover? A commute can be make or break for some folks who may not have a car, who may have a disability, etc.

Moonlighting is a great example: some programs residents mention making 10-15 k a year, and that they can use it pretty much as cash. If this same program allowed you to make that much money but you could only use the money to buy books, would it still be appealing? I'm not sure that it would be.

Some programs have gone with spots unmatched in the past couple of years when generally the radiology market seemed to dry up. But, most programs filled 100 percent. Not a big deal on its face, but who knows...

Interview days are arranged to reflect as positively as possible by the programs. This makes sense since programs are selling what they have to offer. So the onus really is on the interviewees to be active participants and not worry so much about "asking the wrong question," offending someone, or standing out...

Buyer beware, as the saying goes.

I don't think anyone forces you into mini-fellowships. 4th year seems to be about fine-tuning anyway since you're taking boards 3rd year. People have fellowships lined up near beginning of 3rd year pretty commonly too so I don't think that's limiting your decision making at all.

I haven't heard about moonlighting for anything other than....money?

A lot of things are just non-issues IMO. Like you're asking about a pre-call exam? That just doesn't seem significant at all to me.
 
I don't think anyone forces you into mini-fellowships. 4th year seems to be about fine-tuning anyway since you're taking boards 3rd year. People have fellowships lined up near beginning of 3rd year pretty commonly too so I don't think that's limiting your decision making at all.

I haven't heard about moonlighting for anything other than....money?

A lot of things are just non-issues IMO. Like you're asking about a pre-call exam? That just doesn't seem significant at all to me.

Some programs have mandatory residency-fellowship requirements for 4th year. Again, they typically don't advertise these things...the onus is on us.

You should ask about specifics regarding moonlighting money...specifically how you can use the money and if you can access it at all without first jumping through gobbles of red tape. You may be surprised.
 
At MGH, shortest block allowed is 6 months in one discipline, a lot do 1 year in a subspecialty, so it is a true mini fellowship. Hopkins also lets you get a body fellowship (I believe, not sure if it's another subspecialty) during your 4th year, so it is a true mini fellowship as well. Some smaller places have you do 3-4 months in one thing, use a few months to catch up on breast and nucs requirements, so it is not as much of a mini fellowship. I've heard the model MGH and Hopkins have is a little more desirable since it really is like a true fellowship, but hard to tell since those places have the name and reputation anyways.


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There's pros and cons with everything.

I personally think a year is way too much elective time in a secondary field of radiology different than your fellowship. Sure, it sounds great on paper to be told that you're gonna get two fellowships for the price of one.

But the reality is more likely than not that you are never going to put that minifellowship to use. Definitely not in academics, and highly debatable in private practice depending on the group.

You're never going to be able to successfully market to a group that your minifellowship is the equivalent of a fellowship trained guy. So it's all about making yourself the best you can be. I personally think you're better off going somewhere that offers 2-4 three month mini fellowships rather than 1 full year. Three months is plenty to cover any gaps in your training, and multiple 3 month blocks in say, IR, mamms and msk gives you a lot of versatility for any private practice.
 
So the mgh people are cranking out mammo in late 3rd yr? Don't you have to have X amount of mammo done in last 18 mo of residency
 
I can't say for sure but yes it sounds like they finish a lot of it in 3rd year. Call is very heavy toward 2nd year, so probably more mammo and lighter stuff in 3rd year. 4th years don't participate in resident call pool, but on some services actually rotate with the fellow call pool for the mini fellowship.


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This is in contrast to a place like Mayo which has their night float call in the 4th year. They were making a big deal about how they still have independent call, and I really wanted to point out that they are actually just getting cheap labor from board certified radiologists (R4's have passed the core), but thought that might hurt my spot on the rank list. So if any program director happen to stumble on this thread, I give you big props if you can convince your hospital admins to let 2nd years make reads overnight tat aren't overread until the morning. It is not as impressive to have your 4th years doing the same thing, so don't act like it is. We can see right through that, and my opinion of the place only goes down. Mayo has some great things going on, don't get me wrong, but I've got a lot more respect for places like Brown, Hopkins, and BID in this regard, among others that still have R2s doing independent call.


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Did he though?

He didn't say anything to justify his claim of Yale being mediocre other than insulting the quality of residents (mainly based on some of them being fmgs apparently), and that the ir attending didnt like him. Boo hoo
 
Honestly I'm just glad someone put a review on here. Whether or not others think it's justifiable is irrelevant. Also to comment on something from above, whether or not u think things like moonlighting, mini fellowships, etc. etc. are important as a reader doesn't matter, maybe SOMEONE does. I'm personally open to any reviews any interviewee (not disgruntled resident [emoji6]) has to say because it's refreshing to hear what other people see, and maybe they pick out things from a program that I didn't allow myself to see when I was there. That being said, some people love what other people hate and vice versa. I just want people to continue to share information and not hate on the few people who are writing things out there. The more info the better! [emoji16][emoji106] keep em coming!
 
Sounds like the Yale dept is aggressive in trying to get cases which is not a bad thing. Cases going til 10 every night can be lame, but depends on why the cases are going late. If it is do to an abundance of good cases, I would run with it and get all the experience you can. If it's because the hospital is terribly inefficient and can't get rooms turned over, that will set you up for misery and burnout. I do take into account hospital efficiency. Hard to gather on one day, easier to assess in the situations when fellows have been honest and if you can review the patient scheduling board for several rooms on an afternoon tour.


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Asking about 4th year mini fellowships is probably one of the better questions.

- How much time are residents allowed for the mini fellowship (3 mos, 6 mos, however many months you want?) The devil is in the details. Some programs will allow you to freely pick whatever rotations you want within a specialty, but others mandate certain rotations in a mini fellowship period. Occasionally, some rotations are restricted (usually because the actual fellows are given preference). It's going to be hard to judge what's best for you among the options, but usually more freedom is better.

- Are all specialities available for mini fellowship? (e.g. you can do any mini fellowship you want as long as it's MSK and reading plain films)

- Are non-traditional spins on the mini fellowships available? For instance, informatics, hands on time with techs, focusing in on one small area of interest within the speciality?

- What mini-fellowships do the residents choose? This is the best way to assess the strengths of various departments.

I'm an academic rad and I use my mini fellowship skills just about every single day. If you take it seriously and choose it strategically, it can be quite useful.
 
I'll post about Yale - It is a straight up mediocre program hiding behind the Yale name. The quality of the residents is very broad - both polarizing personalities to extremely personable. Of note - one of the top feeders to the Yale New Haven program is SGU (ala doximity). Lots of IMGs. There is also talk of closing the Bridgeport program and merging the residents, i.e. making the quality of the residents even more poor. Even though the quality of the program might not be great job placement does not seem to be an issue howeve as private practice jobs love to have the Yale name (this was told to me by a resident verbatim) . Won't last long however if you have a ****ty training - which is very possible here as the program is essentially attendings/fellow driven. The number of cases you read is completely up to you and how motivated you are - no one will pressure you to read more. This reminds me of the Yale medical school system (no grades, no shelves, lol).

Also IR - wow, without a double the most malignant program I've been to so far. Mostly FMGs. They fired one of the fellows last year. They don't give a **** about work life balance and will literally take EVERY IR consult in the hospital. Sure, there is a good mix of high level IR (except PAD) , but also a ton of bitchwork cases that are usually done by other departments or midlevels at other places. Typical work day (which the attendings take pride in apparently is 5am to 10PM when you are NOT on call).

Oh also - they also loved talking about the resources Yale has. This is true. Lots of well known faculty - but whatever, they didn't seem personable. The IR chair was really rude to the fellows and generally unapproachable.


Tldr - Hiding behind the Yale name, a massively mediocre and malignant program with high potential for research.

I had to double-check that this wasn't the IR forum, because a lot of this is targeted at IR. I'll go ahead and bite. I'm a med student at Yale and did the medical student sub-internship in IR.

DR Program:
They're the third largest radiology residency with 54 residents. There's bound to be at least a few internationals, not sure why this is a big deal? I haven't met all the residents, but those who I did meet seemed friendly and intelligent. The vast majority had positive things to say about Yale. Moreover, six residents applied for three internal IR spots last year...that tells you there's internal demand to stay at Yale. I don't know how many daily reads residents are required to do, but the clinical volume is certainly high. Yale is a major research institution and academic scholarship is encouraged.

IR Program:
I can't beat around the bush, IR is tough at Yale. The case volumes are insane and the hours can run from 6 am to 9 pm or later, day in, day out, with much of it due to slow turnover. In many ways it's tougher than surgery because there's little downtime. Fellows spend their inter-procedural time writing notes and prepping for the next day. Moreover, IRorBustguy is correct on two negative aspects of the program - The fellows do a ton of consults and small procedures (lines, ports, tubes, etc.), that are often done by PAs at other institutions. I feel this is a major drawback of the program. There are two PAs/NPs who assist with the consults during the daytime, but at night it falls squarely on the consult fellow. There are five fellows, so every fifth week a fellow is on consults. Consult week ends up being the most tiring because the pager rarely leaves time for sleep. I think the residency will help with this by having PGY-5 IR residents handle consults, but right now it falls to the fellows.
With all that said, Yale IR is one of the few if only places that does absolutely everything. This is including neuro-IR, PAD [not sure why IRorBustguy said no PAD], prostatic artery embolizations, pulmonary AVM embolizations (Yale is an HHT center), pediatrics (Dr. Dillon trained in pediatric rads, adult body IR and pediatric IR), etc. IR has a seat on the tumor board and actively contributes to decision-making for HCC patients. For PAD, there's an attending, Dr. Aruny, at the main campus who does arterial interventions, and additional arterial work is done at the VA. For neuro, while not technically part of the curriculum, fellows are welcome to come into cases in the neuro-IR room which is adjacent to the regular IR-rooms (and by adjacent, I mean it's not even labeled as neuro-IR, it's just a biplane IR room).
Lastly, Yale has top IR faculty in nearly every discipline. Five of the established faculty are contributing authors to the "Handbook of Interventional Radiology." Dr. Geschwind and Dr. Kevin Kim are two of the most prolific interventional oncologists. Dr. White (now retired) and Dr. Pollak run the HHT center. Dr. Ayyagari has more BPH embos than nearly anyone in North America, and so on...If you want to go into academic-IR, then doing IR/DR residency at Yale makes a lot of sense. You may not have a lot of time during your IR years, but the opportunities are abundant and the time is available during your DR years.

Bottom-line: Yale IR is a place where you can participate in any kind of interventional procedure, but it comes with a lot of scut and time.
 
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So the mgh people are cranking out mammo in late 3rd yr? Don't you have to have X amount of mammo done in last 18 mo of residency
Hope not. MQSA requires numbers be met in the "last two years of training," which most interpret to include fellowship unless I'm mistaken.
 
It's during last two years of residency, so would have to double up mammo in third year. And nucs and call requiremements earlier in residency, which all come at the expense of other rotations earlier on. Like I said, there's pros and cons doing a full year with diminishing returns in the last 6 months. I think flexibility is key so you have the option to do multiple shorter mini fellowships.
 
Not that I don't believe you, but have you found a document anywhere that shows the mammo numbers can be reached during both R3 and R4?
 
Yale has historically been a strong IR training program. It is extremely busy but the IR fellows coming out of there historically have been well trained. They see and perform a high volume of complex interventions. Consults and clinic are critical to being a comprehensively well trained interventionalist. Even now, the hardest thing for me is the clinical decision making in a clinic visit or inpatient consult. If you have order entry, you are simply fulfilling the role of technician which after a while is more straightforward and not intellectually rewarding. Yale has Kevin Kim who is an aggressive IR and will get you well trained. They are facing some hurdles with some of the aortic work after some new vascular surgeons have come. However, Dr. Aruny apparently is still doing PAD interventions as he has historically had a busy CLI practice.

As far as extenders to do minor procedures. I have seen a few of these extenders trained by IR and then later being hired by hospitals under the purview of the multi-specialty medical group and they are now performing "minor" IR under the auspices of the hospital independent of the radiology or IR department. These procedures include central venous access (ports, tunneled lines etc) and even biopsies and drains of various organs.

You want to be super busy during your IR training so that you see and do as much as possible. This will require early days and late nights. Even if room turnover takes some time , there is always more work to be had including new consults , rounding on your patients, or even reading CT angiography, MR angiography and vascular lab studies. You should also try to participate in as many tumor boards and multi-disciplinary conferences as well so you learn the medical component.
 
Can anyone provide any insight into the University of Colorado? It was an extremely difficult program to gauge based on a huge interview day with 40+ applicants with very little information given. I'm interested based on location alone but don't know anything about how the program is run (call schedule etc. ).
 
My take on U of Colorado, interviewed for IR and DR on back to back days.

Great program, probably would see everything. Large catchment area, tertiary referral center for areas including nearby states. Would see Level 1 trauma at Denver Health, would see complex oncologic and transplant cases at Anschultz campus, great cases at children's hospital. Just guessing here, but I would say it has one of the best case mixes in the country given the various rotations at the different hospitals, there is really nothing that they don't have. Interviewed with ~6 faculty between the two days, all seemed very engaged and come from all over the country. IR folks are top notch, very busy, excellent experience. Good mix of up and coming young attendings with older ones as well (e.g. Dr. Kumpe (used his catheter everyday on my IR rotations)). Dr. Rochon is trained at MCVI and I would say the IR dept has a little more of that flavor compared to some of the 'cush' departments I've seen. Fellows said they work hard, but came here to get that experience. Research is not as large as some of the big east/west coast programs but seems to be up and coming and headed in the right direction, certainly opportunities for research if you want that. Overall, hard to find many weaknesses. Lacks reputation compared to "UCSF, MIR, MGH etc" but I think it holds its own pretty well.
 
Any reviews about these programs?
Tulane U, West Virginia, St Louis U, Rutgers NJMS, Metrohealth CaseWestern, Uni of Oklahoma and Bridgeport.
 
My take on U of Colorado, interviewed for IR and DR on back to back days.

Great program, probably would see everything. Large catchment area, tertiary referral center for areas including nearby states. Would see Level 1 trauma at Denver Health, would see complex oncologic and transplant cases at Anschultz campus, great cases at children's hospital. Just guessing here, but I would say it has one of the best case mixes in the country given the various rotations at the different hospitals, there is really nothing that they don't have. Interviewed with ~6 faculty between the two days, all seemed very engaged and come from all over the country. IR folks are top notch, very busy, excellent experience. Good mix of up and coming young attendings with older ones as well (e.g. Dr. Kumpe (used his catheter everyday on my IR rotations)). Dr. Rochon is trained at MCVI and I would say the IR dept has a little more of that flavor compared to some of the 'cush' departments I've seen. Fellows said they work hard, but came here to get that experience. Research is not as large as some of the big east/west coast programs but seems to be up and coming and headed in the right direction, certainly opportunities for research if you want that. Overall, hard to find many weaknesses. Lacks reputation compared to "UCSF, MIR, MGH etc" but I think it holds its own pretty well.

Yeah I got the impression that IR was one of the stronger departments. As I'm only applying to DR and have no IR interest that doesn't help me too much. A lot of the residents I interacted with didn't seem too enthusiastic about the program unfortunately. Kind of bummed out.
 
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