Radiology 2012 applicants

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xx216xx said:
Having said that, I'm curious if this is universal, but are the people who applied to derm at your school the biggest fakes/tools ever?
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They're not all bad people, but I feel like it's a waste of an MD. Many just fit the stereotype of being an attractive female with a fiancee in finance.
 
johnnydrama said:
They're not all bad people, but I feel like it's a waste of an MD. Many just fit the stereotype of being an attractive female with a fiancee in finance.
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It's not all socially-stunted individuals with bad acne?!?!
 
drizzt3117 said:
Someone says only 39 spots on soap.
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It might be that not all programs want to participate in SOAP. Apparently some programs are marked as not participating even though they are not filled.

I think someone said there were only 19 real spots last year even though there were >40 unfilled.
 
johnnydrama said:
It might be that not all programs want to participate in SOAP. Apparently some programs are marked as not participating even though they are not filled.

I think someone said there were only 19 real spots last year even though there were >40 unfilled.
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People can withdraw unfilled spots for OOM offers too, I think.
 
johnnydrama said:
It might be that not all programs want to participate in SOAP. Apparently some programs are marked as not participating even though they are not filled.

I think someone said there were only 19 real spots last year even though there were >40 unfilled.
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They prolly meant 39 programs. The numbers are too different otherwise...86 vs 39? But I guess it's possible!
 
curious1x said:
Do we know which programs are unfilled.?
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The people who do are too scared to share. Posts will get removed from the forum, but I don't think any applicant has ever actually been punished for sharing the list. I would imagine PM or email would be a safe way to share the info.
 
Dumb said:
They prolly meant 39 programs. The numbers are too different otherwise...86 vs 39? But I guess it's possible!
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75 to 39. 86 is combined a+c. Of the c spots, I suspect many are the combined vascular pathway programs, some might be UWash's cat spots, not sure about that, though. I think other community programs have cat spots also.
 
johnnydrama said:
The people who do are too scared to share. Posts will get removed from the forum, but I don't think any applicant has ever actually been punished for sharing the list. I would imagine PM or email would be a safe way to share the info.
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its not worth risking.. people can wait 4 days to find out.
 
Congrats to all the people who matched. Enjoy purgatory for the next few days. 😉
 
I am curious to see the data afterwards and how programs will respond next year.
 
MossPoh said:
I am curious to see the data afterwards and how programs will respond next year.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but given that the job market is on the crappy side currently, with too many radiologists-would it be the worst idea to simply not fill some of these positions? Should rads not curtail some positions?

Are we not at risk of becoming like FP if this trend continues?
 
Medstudentquest said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but given that the job market is on the crappy side currently, with too many radiologists-would it be the worst idea to simply not fill some of these positions? Should rads not curtail some positions?

Are we not at risk of becoming like FP if this trend continues?
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Well a lot of it is due to the economy being bad so people aren't retiring, making the job market tighter; economic recovery will help this a lot. Contraction might not be a bad idea but you run into a problem; it's hard to get more spots funded when the economy improves.
 
drizzt3117 said:
Well a lot of it is due to the economy being bad so people aren't retiring, making the job market tighter; economic recovery will help this a lot. Contraction might not be a bad idea but you run into a problem; it's hard to get more spots funded when the economy improves.
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Agreed, I have talked to a number of people who have said exactly the same thing-radiologists who were supposed to retire did not given the economic debacle, and are still holding onto their positions, not allowing new rads people any room. While I agree that economic recovery will likely result in improvement, the continual expansion of programs is a problem. I think the expansion should be at a much slower rate. Other specialties have had the same issue.
 
Anyone know if any of the academic NYC or Boston programs scrambled? Curious about Emory too. Feel free to PM me.
 
johnnydrama said:
Anyone know if any of the academic NYC or Boston programs scrambled? Curious about Emory too. Feel free to PM me.
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i think soaper's have more important things to do than to pm you unfilled programs. Just wait till friday.
 
curious1x said:
So it's all done.
Spots filled?
Pretty fast if that's the case
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We have no idea, since we cannot see open spots for the most part. Only applicants who are going through the SOAP process can see them. The only spots that I am aware of are those listed on Residentswap, and i don't think those have been filled yet.
 
johnnydrama said:
I can guarantee that is not the case since no offers are extended through SOAP until tomorrow at noon.
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A number of programs are posting them on residentswap, and some are actually being offered outside the match, maybe to avoid SOAP? Not sure. There are other specialties that are also doing the outside the match thing, and have some positions crossed out, as in having been filled so I would think that some rads positions will likely be filled prior to the start of SOAP offers.
 
Medstudentquest said:
A number of programs are posting them on residentswap, and some are actually being offered outside the match, maybe to avoid SOAP? Not sure. There are other specialties that are also doing the outside the match thing, and have some positions crossed out, as in having been filled so I would think that some rads positions will likely be filled prior to the start of SOAP offers.
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What programs were posted on residentswap? Don't have an account.
 
As a reminder, asking to know which programs did not fill, or offering to share such information, prior to an official release of the info by the NRMP on Match Day, is a violation of NRMP policy.

Let me also say that it's not outside the realm of possibility for the NRMP to sue SDN, or subpoena certain user information (registration email and IP address, for instance). So please...just watch what you say and what kind of info you request. Even if you aren't participating in the Match now, it could preclude from participating in the Match in following years.

Thanks.
 
If you've already matched, what difference does it make? If you haven't, then you have the list; everyone should be happy anyways.
 
officedepot said:
quick question:

I'll be applying this year but am interested as to how the SOAP works in the chance that you match a pgy1 spot but not pgy2 in radiology. Are you only able to rank radiology pgy2 spots? how does it work with other fields if you wanted to rank categorical IM when you already have a pgy1 spot or can you only rank pgy2 positions? hope that makes sense
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Read the NRMP FAQ.

Short answer is that you cannot rank categorical programs if you match to a preliminary, but you are free to apply into advanced positions in any specialty.

If you want categorical IM to be an option, it needs to be on your main rank list.
 
Medstudentquest said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but given that the job market is on the crappy side currently, with too many radiologists-would it be the worst idea to simply not fill some of these positions? Should rads not curtail some positions?

Are we not at risk of becoming like FP if this trend continues?
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The job market that I will be entering in 6-8 years? I have no aspiration of being in one of the traditionally popular areas and know of plenty of gigs for people who don't mind living in the places I've grown to enjoy.

As mentioned before, a lot of people are holding over longer because they lost a ton of their retirement savings with the economy. I know a few 70+ docs that pick up locums or are holding on for a little longer just to earn some spare cash.
 
Dumb said:
Which part? I read it quickly but it seemed to be just stating the obvious: self-selection occurs. The part about programs under-interviewing safeties seems unsupported, particularly given the rampant regionalism, yield-protection, and other anti-meritocratic practices.
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Wouldn't call those necessarily anti-meritocratic. If a mid tier program interviewed only top applicants, they could easily end up with below low tier applicants in the scramble. It's pragmatism and they are still trying to get the best pool of applicants possible with a finite number of interviews.

Agree that the analysis is mainly speculation/obvious. I'd only buy the central premise if a few very desirable programs scrambled, and with CA almost completely matched I'm betting the top competitive programs were all fine.
 
johnnydrama said:
Wouldn't call those necessarily anti-meritocratic. If a mid tier program interviewed only top applicants, they could easily end up with below low tier applicants in the scramble. It's pragmatism and they are still trying to get the best pool of applicants possible with a finite number of interviews.
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Agree about the pragmatism, but they're not mutually exclusive. Yes, if I were a mid-tier PD, I would pragmatically employ yield-protection to ensure I need not enter the SOAP or spend exorbitant amounts of time interviewing. Doesn't make yield-protection any less anti-meritocratic, though. I will concede that regionalism is debatable, as it could in theory be for "fitness," knowledge of regional schools, and regional connections (letter writers), among other factors. But in practice it does tend to be anti-meritocratic, too.
 
It's just semantics - I'm not sure I'd call a program anti-meritocratic just because they have to turn down a top tier applicant with no interest so they can land a mid tier applicant instead of scrambling for a low tier one.

They're still trying to optimize the caliber of their matches, they just can't apply a naive strategy to do it.
 
Dumb said:
Which part? I read it quickly but it seemed to be just stating the obvious: self-selection occurs. The part about programs under-interviewing safeties seems unsupported, particularly given the rampant regionalism, yield-protection, and other anti-meritocratic practices.
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yield protect and they're called anti-meritocratic, don't and it's hubris; programs can't win...
 
DrBowtie said:
Thoughts on surveys? Waiting til after Friday obviously.
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What do you mean by surveys? For us, or replying to ones from programs? No harm in replying now if they're anonymous, although I guess you want to be careful if you're matching there.
 
I wouldn't bother doing them now.. what could you possibly stand to gain
 
johnnydrama said:
If that's your approach, might as well never reply. There's nothing to gain no matter what time you reply.
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I meant nothing to gain by rushing. Just wait until after the match just incase thats the place you end up.. since it isnt anonymous.
 
Ugh just tell me!!!!! Cali vs Ny vs Chicago! All is well...anyone going to SIR? I know someone I interviewed is!
 
I am going to SIR..though I think I did not interview with you
 
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