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honeypot999 said:
I love when pre-vets resort to ad hominem attacks and ask if you can read when you try to correct or debate them on a subject.

Like thanks for asking buddy, I do in fact struggle to read but you don’t know that nor should you say that to someone
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Omg a prevet did that to me today too
 
honeypot999 said:
I love when pre-vets resort to ad hominem attacks and ask if you can read when you try to correct or debate them on a subject.

Like thanks for asking buddy, I do in fact struggle to read but you don’t know that nor should you say that to someone
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I’m sorry, that’s so frustrating. Knowing how to take gentle correction without feeling attacked (and potentially attacking) is a learned skill.

I know I didn’t learn it until I was out of college. But it doesn’t make it any more frustrating to experience.
 
soupshark said:
Omg a prevet did that to me today too
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battie said:
Man. Sometimes I miss standard social media. And then I see **** like this and remember the APVMA Facebook page ain't worth it.
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I'm still in it, it's wayyyyy tamer than it was in our day. Kinda boring honestly, it's mostly a giant echo chamber of toxic positivity and occasionally incorrect information or advice that is way off base.
 
battie said:
Man. Sometimes I miss standard social media. And then I see **** like this and remember the APVMA Facebook page ain't worth it.
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I rarely check the FB bc I can't stand it most of the time lol. I think people get too confident hiding behind the anon function on there
 
soupshark said:
I rarely check the FB bc I can't stand it most of the time lol. I think people get too confident hiding behind the anon function on there
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Agreed. Like honestly the only time I've used it is posting in the DVMmoms group because I have quite a few friends in that group and I haven't announced yet/not sure I will and don't want messages. I appreciate the groups that don't allow any anon posting at all.
 
this isn’t an indirect at anyone. but i don’t understand why some students dont do their research when applying to schools or on this entire VMCAS process? i see the same 10 questions posted EVERY. DAY. in the FB group and both reddits. it’s not a bad thing to ask questions, but it doesn’t have to be spoon-fed to you so to speak. especially when these are questions already answered or literally on an admissions website 🫩🫩🫩
 
vampyrica said:
this isn’t an indirect at anyone. but i don’t understand why some students dont do their research when applying to schools or on this entire VMCAS process? i see the same 10 questions posted EVERY. DAY. in the FB group and both reddits. it’s not a bad thing to ask questions, but it doesn’t have to be spoon-fed to you so to speak. especially when these are questions already answered or literally on an admissions website 🫩🫩🫩
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I feel like you’ve reached metaphorical pre-vet/vet student puberty and now you’re blossoming into a full adult with the rest of us grumpy curmudgeons 😂😂

Idk why but it happens every year while also getting worse at the years go on.
 
JaynaAli said:
I feel like you’ve reached metaphorical pre-vet/vet student puberty and now you’re blossoming into a full adult with the rest of us grumpy curmudgeons 😂😂

Idk why but it happens every year while also getting worse at the years go on.
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i was telling @soupshark since we made the reddit, that since i’m on the other side of things now, i wish i could go back in time and shake pre-vet me for being so naive and uninformed 🫨 took me spending $3,000 and a failed first cycle to go “oh…maybe i didnt do something right?..”

surprise. all the info was on the websites i didnt bother to look at….ok vampy..ok.
 
vampyrica said:
this isn’t an indirect at anyone. but i don’t understand why some students dont do their research when applying to schools or on this entire VMCAS process? i see the same 10 questions posted EVERY. DAY. in the FB group and both reddits. it’s not a bad thing to ask questions, but it doesn’t have to be spoon-fed to you so to speak. especially when these are questions already answered or literally on an admissions website 🫩🫩🫩
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Lowkey feel like finding your own info is becoming a lost art 😅
Like a day of searching forums and websites answered 90% of my questions when I made a pretty rapid decision to apply last cycle, yet there are students who have been preparing to apply for 4+ years who haven't done even superficial research on schools or the application process.
I feel like it's also partially a symptom of just how young many students are making these decisions are. I don't know that I would have been as resourceful at 20yo either 😅
 
JaynaAli said:
Idk why but it happens every year while also getting worse at the years go on.
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vampyrica said:
surprise. all the info was on the websites i didnt bother to look at….ok vampy..ok
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apoptosis09 said:
Lowkey feel like finding your own info is becoming a lost art 😅
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Just start linking the VMSAR at them. I spent HOURS on there looking up previous year’s stats, tuition info, admission stats, and the used it to navigate to the school’s websites to actually confirm all that info was accurate and see the dang website for myself.
 
apoptosis09 said:
Lowkey feel like finding your own info is becoming a lost art 😅
Like a day of searching forums and websites answered 90% of my questions when I made a pretty rapid decision to apply last cycle, yet there are students who have been preparing to apply for 4+ years who haven't done even superficial research on schools or the application process.
I feel like it's also partially a symptom of just how young many students are making these decisions are. I don't know that I would have been as resourceful at 20yo either 😅
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i have to honestly say that i think a possible part of the problem is students dont even know where to start? my PVC didn’t do any VMCAS breakdown nights or talk about the application process AT.ALL.

to any prevet reading this, please consider hosting VMCAS breakdown nights with your PVC. bring in adcom members to speak about it, do your research and share a powerpoint with your club, literally anything. it’ll be step 1 to helping people, and then they can go home and have a foundation to do the rest of their internet sleuthing on.
 
vampyrica said:
this isn’t an indirect at anyone. but i don’t understand why some students dont do their research when applying to schools or on this entire VMCAS process? i see the same 10 questions posted EVERY. DAY. in the FB group and both reddits. it’s not a bad thing to ask questions, but it doesn’t have to be spoon-fed to you so to speak. especially when these are questions already answered or literally on an admissions website 🫩🫩🫩
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JaynaAli said:
I feel like you’ve reached metaphorical pre-vet/vet student puberty and now you’re blossoming into a full adult with the rest of us grumpy curmudgeons 😂😂

Idk why but it happens every year while also getting worse at the years go on.
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apoptosis09 said:
Lowkey feel like finding your own info is becoming a lost art 😅
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Completely agree that it seems we're on a whole new level of cluelessness, poor judgement, and lack of effort.

I've never seen so many posts (not on SDN necessarily) bash a school/vet school admissions in general because they got insta-rejected despite being such a 'stellar' applicant...only to find out they were applying with a 2.5 cGPA that didn't meet their schools' minimums, were missing a prereq, missed a supplemental entirely, etc. Like truly stupid stuff that had you been the least bit organized, had you just perused the school's website, whatever, you wouldn't be in that position.

Several weeks ago, someone wrote on APVMA anonymously panicking because they had just realized (after submitting VMCAS), that they left in the 'This text was AI generated' (or some phrase like that) line at the end of every. single. one. of their experience blurbs. So like, this person, aside from using AI to do their app which I'm pretty sure is explicitly not allowed, did not even proofread their app before submitting. Just copy/pasted and ran with it. On top of that, there are tons of posts in APVMA about how to skirt AI detectors, how bad is it if my essay is 85% AI according to this detector, etc. I can't even imagine how crappy it must be to be a teacher or professor right now. But also has me thinking 'wow, the next generations of vets won't even be able to generate thoughts on their own, they'll need AI for every thing they do.'

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vampyrica said:
to any prevet reading this, please consider hosting VMCAS breakdown nights with your PVC. bring in adcom members to speak about it, do your research and share a powerpoint with your club, literally anything. it’ll be step 1 to helping people, and then they can go home and have a foundation to do the rest of their internet sleuthing on.
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This is a great idea!
 
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pp9 said:
Completely agree that it seems we're on a whole new level of cluelessness, poor judgement, and lack of effort.

I've never seen so many posts (not on SDN necessarily) bash a school/vet school admissions in general because they got insta-rejected despite being such a 'stellar' applicant...only to find out they were applying with a 2.5 cGPA that didn't mean their schools minimums, were missing a prereq, missed a supplemental entirely, etc. Like truly stupid stuff that had you been the least bit organized, had you just perused the school's website, whatever, you wouldn't be in that position.

Several weeks ago, someone wrote on APVMA anonymously panicking because they had just realized (after submitting VMCAS), that they left in the 'This text was AI generated' (or some phrase like that) line at the end of every. single. one. of their experience blurbs. So like, this person, aside from using AI to do their app which I'm pretty sure is explicitly not allowed, did not even proofread their app before submitting. Just copy/pasted and ran with it. On top of that, there are tons of posts in APVMA about how to skirt AI detectors, how bad is it if my essay is 85% AI according to this detector, etc. I can't even imagine how crappy it must be to be a teacher or professor right now. But also has me thinking 'wow, the next generations of vets won't even be able to generate thoughts on their own, they'll need AI for every thing they do.'

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This is a great idea!
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LOL we were actually just talking about this post. It’s now deleted unfortunately but I have a screenshot. It’s crazy to me that:
1. They chose to use AI to write one of the most important applications of their life
2. They didn’t even bother to proofread it prior to submitting?
 
Omg the AI thing. It’s not even just people applying we have a few professors who genuinely encourage its use and many of my classmates do it. I vehemently refuse both for the environmental impacts and because I’ve seen what it’s done to people’s ability to write a damn sentence. When we were at veterinary summer scholars, the big speaker there was all about how AI was going to change vet med and we needed to go along for the ride or get left behind. He HATED when we started questioning the impact on the environment and the impact on animals, therefore precluding us from using it due to our oath.

@beans2020 did you see that talk? Do you remember more about it? I was making snarky remarks to my school mates the whole time because otherwise I was going to get into an argument with the dude and that would not have looked good.
 
katiemcat said:
LOL we were actually just talking about this post. It’s now deleted unfortunately but I have a screenshot. It’s crazy to me that:
1. They chose to use AI to write one of the most important applications of their life
2. They didn’t even bother to proofread it prior to submitting?
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I like...I cannot. I don't wish ill on people often but I do hope she got entirely disqualified from this year, or is getting auto-rejected if VMCAS lets it slide. I'm pretty sure I remember someone posting a screenshot from VMCAS stating that AI cannot be used but I can't remember now. Although in all fairness, schools should probably release statements on AI and whether or not they intend to check for it and allow its use before they trash someone's app over it.

_rae_ said:
the big speaker there was all about how AI was going to change vet med and we needed to go along for the ride or get left behind. He HATED when we started questioning the impact on the environment and the impact on animals, therefore precluding us from using it due to our oath.
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Lol was this person also employed by one of the veterinary AI startups people are trying to get off the ground? There is a big one that I recently caught wind of that people are supposed to be utilizing in place of a vet-to-vet or specialist consult. I assume it just rapidly searches the depths of the internet to spit out info in an organized way, which can be helpful...but like, still weird. I could see AI being helpful in writing records, but when it comes to making medical decisions it seems borderline unethical depending on exactly how it's used.

I will say my only experience with blatant AI in vet med was the radiograph interpretation software Bluepearl was using/piloting shortly before I left. It was not far off, and often identical, to the radiologist reports I'd get back 2-3 days later. I don't remember what it was called. For me, it was helpful in the sense of confirming I was not crazy for being sus about something at 1am when I couldn't get another set of real eyes/further imaging until the morning. A lot of people find their radiology AI software to be completely off base though.
 
pp9 said:
Lol was this person also employed by one of the veterinary AI startups people are trying to get off the ground? There is a big one that I recently caught wind of that people are supposed to be utilizing in place of a vet-to-vet or specialist consult. I assume it just rapidly searches the depths of the internet to spit out info in an organized way, which can be helpful...but like, still weird.
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I can’t find the program to find the company name. All I can tell you is he called himself the “Chief Paws Officer” or something dumb like that lol. It seemed like the company had actually been around for a while.
 
pp9 said:
Agreed. Like honestly the only time I've used it is posting in the DVMmoms group because I have quite a few friends in that group and I haven't announced yet/not sure I will and don't want messages. I appreciate the groups that don't allow any anon posting at all.
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Side question: Is the DVMmoms group useful? I haven't joined it because I still feel like an impostor in parenting spaces but I periodically wonder if it's worth joining anyways
 
finnickthedog said:
Side question: Is the DVMmoms group useful? I haven't joined it because I still feel like an impostor in parenting spaces but I periodically wonder if it's worth joining anyways
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I think it could be, but it's kind of an 'anything goes' group. Not limited to parenting/kid stuff in the least, actually it seems the majority of posts from that group that make my feed are asking for stat consults/opinions on random cases. I've gotten some helpful info when it comes to what equipment I actually need (I recently asked if the Snoo was worth it or not).

I've actually found the Badass Docs group more interesting and potentially more relevant for my newborn days, lots of people asking 'Is this normal/do I need to go to the ER for this in my kid?' and getting quick answers. And vice versa, lots of human docs asking about their pets in that group.
 
My sister is a chatGPT addict. I hate it. She uses it on everything from writing newspaper articles the behalf of the child she nannied for who was local FFA reporter, to completing her college homework, to summarizing and telling her almost everything.

Like my grandfather is not doing well (he’s 86, declining sharply for months) and was in the ER this week. All they could find wrong with him was hypokalemia so she very helpfully sent a ChatGPT screenshot of “symptoms of hypokalemia” to the group chat. Like, I am a literal expert in bloodwork as a boarded clinical pathologist! I could have told you that! She also screenshotted an AI summary of “signs of early onset dementia” and said we need to get grandpa evaluated…like first off, he’s 86, ain’t nothing ‘early onset’ about that. And they’re not gonna do that in the ER when he’s complaining of dizziness so just stop googling problems on chatGPT. And she sent a ChatGPT “script” of how to talk to an elderly parent about signing over healthcare decisions…but my grandparents are not mentally ready for that conversation even though it probably does need to happen.
 
pp9 said:
I can't even imagine how crappy it must be to be a teacher or professor right now
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A lot of profs are going back to oral exams and/or lecture questions and in lecture written stuff. Ive been seeing a lot of local news reports of teachers not allowing in class devices. I'm here for it.

finnickthedog said:
Side question: Is the DVMmoms group useful? I haven't joined it because I still feel like an impostor in parenting spaces but I periodically wonder if it's worth joining anyways
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It was useful in the moment, but now that I've been off Facebook, I don't miss it. I got caught up in the social media drama of the page.

I used the anonymity ability one time to ask for opinions of what to do with the second pregnancy. Learned that 1) people will always give advice you explicitly ask not to be given; 2) only you know what the right answer for you is in a situation like that. 😅 So it ended up really not being worthwhile asking.
 
battie said:
It was useful in the moment, but now that I've been off Facebook, I don't miss it. I got caught up in the social media drama of the page.
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Lol there was a recent group-wide meltdown, something about the group admins trying to trademark the name?

And shortly before that, an additional meltdown about a male and/or nonvet (can't remember, maybe it was both) person being allowed in the group accidentally. Something about people feeling their safety was compromised. And here I'm thinking, why are we relying on a very large FB group full of strangers to provide a 'safe space' where you can share compromising or potentially semi-private pictures of yourself, your kids, etc? If we've learned anything from the NOMV group, it's that someone in there will know who you are and will blast your business. Or use info you share 'in confidence' (with 10's of thousands of people) nefariously.
 
vampyrica said:
i have to honestly say that i think a possible part of the problem is students dont even know where to start? my PVC didn’t do any VMCAS breakdown nights or talk about the application process AT.ALL.

to any prevet reading this, please consider hosting VMCAS breakdown nights with your PVC. bring in adcom members to speak about it, do your research and share a powerpoint with your club, literally anything. it’ll be step 1 to helping people, and then they can go home and have a foundation to do the rest of their internet sleuthing on.
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I didn't even have a pre-vet club at my school lol and I couldn't start one bc there weren't enough people interested (we needed 10 💀). But I still managed to find all the info I needed. People need to learn how to use the search bar again

Still it's a good idea. I could've really used some guidance and it would've saved me a lot of time if I knew anybody familiar with VMCAS and vet school admissions
 
pp9 said:
I've never seen so many posts (not on SDN necessarily) bash a school/vet school admissions in general because they got insta-rejected despite being such a 'stellar' applicant...only to find out they were applying with a 2.5 cGPA that didn't mean their schools minimums, were missing a prereq, missed a supplemental entirely, etc. Like truly stupid stuff that had you been the least bit organized, had you just perused the school's website, whatever, you wouldn't be in that position.
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The amount of conversations we had about this on our sub when IL released phase I results 😭

There was a post titled "not listed "secrets" from different schools" and it was a field day
 
katiemcat said:
LOL we were actually just talking about this post. It’s now deleted unfortunately but I have a screenshot. It’s crazy to me that:
1. They chose to use AI to write one of the most important applications of their life
2. They didn’t even bother to proofread it prior to submitting?
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And then that girl in the comments saying you wouldn't get blacklisted for that cus the schools don't pay that much attention lol
 
pp9 said:
And here I'm thinking, why are we relying on a very large FB group full of strangers to provide a 'safe space' where you can share compromising or potentially semi-private pictures of yourself, your kids, etc?
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The first problem is assuming the Internet can be a safe space at all. It inherently is not. You add in humans with their human problems and there you go.

I also think that intent matters. The fact a non-vet or a man was accidentally let into the group (and subsequently removed I assume) is just that, an accident. An accident that was always possible. So automatically losing trust or feeling unsafe in such a situation is an immature response.
 
Ah man, Fam. Reddit is telling me I need to use the app because the forum is unverified or some such nonsense. What kind of adult do you take me for, using the app instead of my browser?!
 
vampyrica said:
i have to honestly say that i think a possible part of the problem is students dont even know where to start? my PVC didn’t do any VMCAS breakdown nights or talk about the application process AT.ALL.

to any prevet reading this, please consider hosting VMCAS breakdown nights with your PVC. bring in adcom members to speak about it, do your research and share a powerpoint with your club, literally anything. it’ll be step 1 to helping people, and then they can go home and have a foundation to do the rest of their internet sleuthing on.
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My bio advisor during college didn't even say anything to me about a pre-vet group existing until I had already started applying to vet schools. The group didn't advertise themselves very well so I just didn't know it was a thing :laugh: and while the bio advisors were pretty knowledgeable about med school applications (made sense, the university had a med school) they knew next to nothing about vet school

Luckily I'd already found SDN by then, which helped a lot 🙂 but i was doing my own legwork even during high school so i just don't really understand that not being a thing when resources are even more accessible now than they were 15 years ago
 
vampyrica said:
this isn’t an indirect at anyone. but i don’t understand why some students dont do their research when applying to schools or on this entire VMCAS process? i see the same 10 questions posted EVERY. DAY. in the FB group and both reddits. it’s not a bad thing to ask questions, but it doesn’t have to be spoon-fed to you so to speak. especially when these are questions already answered or literally on an admissions website 🫩🫩🫩
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The amount of pre-vets that have listed Illinois-which I feel like is pretty infamous for their high GPA-as one of their prospective schools when their GPA is....less than ideal makes me think I should just start copy-pasting my answers as to why Illinois may not be the best choice for them. I mean, Illinois has it on their website that their phase 1 is basically just a GPA check.
 
U.C Davis-as much as I love this school-is raising parking prices AGAIN so they can, "maintaining parking structures and pay their employees more." The last part just makes me laugh. It's a 50 cent raise to the parking lot I normally use-on the rare occasions I drive-and all parking passes have increased by $5.

Funny that despite all their claims about this raise being necessary so they can, "maintain parking," there's a parking garage on the main road that's been closed ever since the semester started. And TAPS is CUT-THROAT about ticketing offenders. I swear, they wait for students to park and then cruise on by to see if they forgot to pay for parking.
 
CeeGee14 said:
The amount of pre-vets that have listed Illinois-which I feel like is pretty infamous for their high GPA-as one of their prospective schools when their GPA is....less than ideal makes me think I should just start copy-pasting my answers as to why Illinois may not be the best choice for them. I mean, Illinois has it on their website that their phase 1 is basically just a GPA check.
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But then they start yelling at you because IL should be holistic and it's all your fault lol
 
CeeGee14 said:
The amount of pre-vets that have listed Illinois-which I feel like is pretty infamous for their high GPA-as one of their prospective schools when their GPA is....less than ideal makes me think I should just start copy-pasting my answers as to why Illinois may not be the best choice for them. I mean, Illinois has it on their website that their phase 1 is basically just a GPA check.
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buh..buh..but WHAT DO YOU MEAN I WASNT THE EXCEPTION?!? I KNOW I HAVE A 3.11 BUT MY EXPERIENCES?!? this is not holistic at all !! 😡(((( now i’m going to spread misinformation on every online forum to rally people behind me

(disclaimer before anyone dms me angrily, the gpa i used as an example was my own. if yours is the same, it’s a coincidence. thanks)
 
soupshark said:
But then they start yelling at you because IL should be holistic and it's all your fault lol
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Maybe I've just been lucky so far, but I haven't had any pre-vets flip out at me over gentle advice/criticism. There were a couple folks who definitely had the, "I'm gonna nod and agree with you, but I'm totally not going to take your advice," attitude, but at least they were polite.

What kind of people have you guys been dealing with?
 
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WildZoo said:
My bio advisor during college didn't even say anything to me about a pre-vet group existing until I had already started applying to vet schools. The group didn't advertise themselves very well so I just didn't know it was a thing :laugh: and while the bio advisors were pretty knowledgeable about med school applications (made sense, the university had a med school) they knew next to nothing about vet school

Luckily I'd already found SDN by then, which helped a lot 🙂 but i was doing my own legwork even during high school so i just don't really understand that not being a thing when resources are even more accessible now than they were 15 years ago
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i didn’t know about SDN until my second cycle!! i utilized @katiemcat ‘s reddit page for most of my questions and sleuthing.

reddit. it’s certainly….a place
 
CeeGee14 said:
Maybe I've just been lucky so far, but I haven't had any pre-vets flip out at me over gentle advice/criticism. There were a couple folks who definitely had, "I'm gonna nod and agree with me, but I'm totally not going to take your advice," but at least they were polite.

What kind of people have you guys been dealing with?
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soup and i created the r/prevets thread to help @katiemcat ‘s r/veterinaryschool thread. there was too much pre-vet activity in the vetschool forum so we made one separate.

we had someone come in a few weeks ago and ask us where we thought “veterinarians rank in prestige” and on their own list had us listed almost all the way on the bottom…
 
vampyrica said:
reddit. it’s certainly….a place
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It is indeed. There's a whole subreddit called /servicedogcirclejerk dedicated to making fun of people who are, "training," their little 10-week old Malinois pup to be a service dog or their blind lab to be a guide dog. Sometimes, I WISH I had the confidence these people have when posting this bullshirt online.

Makes for some great late-night entertainment.
 
vampyrica said:
soup and i created the r/prevets thread to help @katiemcat ‘s r/veterinaryschool thread. there was too much pre-vet activity in the vetschool forum so we made one separate.

we had someone come in a few weeks ago and ask us where we thought “veterinarians rank in prestige” and on their own list had us listed almost all the way on the bottom…
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Oh man, I remember that one too! People were going after them in the comments!
 
CeeGee14 said:
It is indeed. There's a whole subreddit called /servicedogcirclejerk dedicated to making fun of people who are, "training," their little 10-week old Malinois pup to be a service dog or their blind lab to be a guide dog. Sometimes, I WISH I had the confidence these people have when posting this bullshirt online.

Makes for some great late-night entertainment.
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you want good entertainment? go to hamstertok. man that place is TOOOXICCCC
 
I found this place my junior year of undergrad after my prevet ex started telling me shelter vets didn’t actually exist and I got scared 😭

Jokes on me pursuing IM now LMFAO
 
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